avant garde? Don't think. Pretty cool? Sure.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Maya Deren Aphex Twin Avante Garde' to 'Maya Deren, Aphex Twin, Avante Garde' - edited by Sarzy

That Dark channel sounds interesting. So do the other ones too. Thoughts on each:

An Independent channel would be really great. If that's what you really want then go for it. No offense to Sarzy or blankfist, but if that's your first choice and you get there before them, then do what YOU want.

A Weird channel would be great, but I foresee many people mixing that up with WTF.

Trippy channel kind of exists already, in that I've seen a few people post trippy shit in the Spacy channel. However I think Spacy should be strictly devoted to aerospace, while Trippy could be devoted to unapologetic drug use.

Odds and Ends might be too narrow. Most of the channels already cover almost everything under the sun, so a channel like that might also be a duplicate of WTF unless it's strictly defined. Might be more trouble than what it's worth.

Dude, don't you get up early? Aren't you burning the candle at both ends? Get to bed. The night belongs to insomniacs like me.



In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Yeah, I have a few ideas. I'm probably going to float them in a sift talk to and see what the consensus is.

Independent Art or Short Film or Independent Film Channel - Dedicated to short films, student films, indie films etc. Not sure if I should include other types of independent art. If not, I'm not sure if I should limit it to complete films, or even limit it to short films. This would actually be a great channel for BlankFist or Sarzy to run. If they're interested, I'll pull this one off the table.

Weird Channel: When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Featuring all things strange and avant gard.

Dark Channel: All things dark. I could possibly combine this with the weird channel, but it seems like it deserves it's own channel.

Trippy Channel: Better Sifting Through Chemistry

Culture Jam/Anti Channel: For fighting the power, corporations, media, advertising, government and any other institution.

Odds and Ends: A Channel for videos that fall through the cracks.

Issy isn't sure what she wants to do. I suggested a Happy Channel

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Dude, I just noticed that you have 231 star points. Wow, it seems like only yesterday you got your Gold 100 star. You'll own this joint before you know it. Been thinking about a new channel? And has Issy been planning one too? Nosy people want to know.

Yeah, I have a few ideas. I'm probably going to float them in a sift talk to and see what the consensus is.

Independent Art or Short Film or Independent Film Channel - Dedicated to short films, student films, indie films etc. Not sure if I should include other types of independent art. If not, I'm not sure if I should limit it to complete films, or even limit it to short films. This would actually be a great channel for BlankFist or Sarzy to run. If they're interested, I'll pull this one off the table.

Weird Channel: When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. Featuring all things strange and avant gard.

Dark Channel: All things dark. I could possibly combine this with the weird channel, but it seems like it deserves it's own channel.

Trippy Channel: Better Sifting Through Chemistry

Culture Jam/Anti Channel: For fighting the power, corporations, media, advertising, government and any other institution.

Odds and Ends: A Channel for videos that fall through the cracks.

Issy isn't sure what she wants to do. I suggested a Happy Channel

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Dude, I just noticed that you have 231 star points. Wow, it seems like only yesterday you got your Gold 100 star. You'll own this joint before you know it. Been thinking about a new channel? And has Issy been planning one too? Nosy people want to know.

maybe call it just the "noir" channel? ...of which i am a fan.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Actually I was considering a "Dark" channel. By "Dark" I mean stuff that is moody, or film-noirish, or dark humor, or even non-fictional stuff that makes you feel cynical about the world (example).
In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I'd love to see a Trippy Channel (vids to watch high) or a weird Channel (avant-garde, dark, dada and general strangeness).

You're probably right, but I don't want it to go to hell when I'm not paying attention. I don't want some idiot posting Scooby-Doo videos with a "Dark" tag simply because most of the action happens at night time. But I'll think about it.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I like it. I wasn't under the impression that maintaining a channel was all that much work. I think you just basically peak at it for a minute or two each day to make sure the content doesn't suck.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Actually I was considering a "Dark" channel. By "Dark" I mean stuff that is moody, or film-noirish, or dark humor, or even non-fictional stuff that makes you feel cynical about the world (example). But it's just a thought for now, because I'm going to be working so much now that I probably won't have time to properly maintain a channel. We'll see.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I'd love to see a Trippy Channel (vids to watch high) or a weird Channel (avant-garde, dark, dada and general strangeness).

Do you have anything in mind?

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Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Saturday, October 27th, 2007 5:43pm PDT - promote requested by dystopianfuturetoday.

Okay, I guess that settles it. I'm going with the Mentos channel.

I like it. I wasn't under the impression that maintaining a channel was all that much work. I think you just basically peak at it for a minute or two each day to make sure the content doesn't suck.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Actually I was considering a "Dark" channel. By "Dark" I mean stuff that is moody, or film-noirish, or dark humor, or even non-fictional stuff that makes you feel cynical about the world (example). But it's just a thought for now, because I'm going to be working so much now that I probably won't have time to properly maintain a channel. We'll see.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I'd love to see a Trippy Channel (vids to watch high) or a weird Channel (avant-garde, dark, dada and general strangeness).

Do you have anything in mind?

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Saturday, October 27th, 2007 5:43pm PDT - promote requested by dystopianfuturetoday.

Okay, I guess that settles it. I'm going with the Mentos channel.

Actually I was considering a "Dark" channel. By "Dark" I mean stuff that is moody, or film-noirish, or dark humor, or even non-fictional stuff that makes you feel cynical about the world (example). But it's just a thought for now, because I'm going to be working so much now that I probably won't have time to properly maintain a channel. We'll see.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I'd love to see a Trippy Channel (vids to watch high) or a weird Channel (avant-garde, dark, dada and general strangeness).

Do you have anything in mind?

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Saturday, October 27th, 2007 5:43pm PDT - promote requested by dystopianfuturetoday.

Okay, I guess that settles it. I'm going with the Mentos channel.

I'd love to see a Trippy Channel (vids to watch high) or a weird Channel (avant-garde, dark, dada and general strangeness).

Do you have anything in mind?

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Saturday, October 27th, 2007 5:43pm PDT - promote requested by dystopianfuturetoday.

Okay, I guess that settles it. I'm going with the Mentos channel.

I invite crazy avante garde stuff into *woohoo as well. Wonder if 3 more sifters (or 2 plus original submitter) can get this out of queue?

Tags for this video have been changed from 'avant gard, dadaism, punk rock, absurdism, absurdist, absurd, ufo, bad words' to 'avant garde, dadaism, punk rock, absurdism, absurdist, absurd, ufo, bad words' - edited by calvados

"1. Not everything that people say is a good sift is actually a good sift."

Absolutely. Taste is entirely subjective. You have no obligation to agree with other opinions.

"2. A sift need not be art to be shitty."

Duh, shit comes in all flavors.

"3. Just because people say something is sift-worthy, doesn't mean something is sift-worthy."

You just reworded point #1 and labeled it #3. You owe me another point.

"4. Sifts aren't inherently good."

You, again, just reworded point #1 and labeled it #4. Now you owe me two.

Last point. Calling something art is not a value judgement, just a description.

For instance: The video created by the crying Brittany Spears guy is by definition art. I personally find it stupid and annoying, but that does not strip it of its definition.

Not Today Motherfucker is comprised entirely of elements that we find culturally offensive: Profanity, poor special effects, low resolution, bad music, a generic one liner is the only dialog, it's titled after said one-liner, the title card is as long as the movie, the UFO seems to be pretty easily destructible, the sound effects are jarring, etc.

Separately, these elements are commonplace and dull, but put them together and I'm amused.

rember not liking this makes me like it more. That is part of the fun of both punk and the avant gard.

Airy, pretentious, snobby? I won't object if you call me those things.

Who is right and/or wrong? Both of us.

I never thought I'd be writing a dissertation on the aesthetics of Not Today Motherfucker, but why not.

Avant-garde? Dadaism? The day those terms can be accurately applied to a Youtube video hailed as brilliant by Something Awful, I'll...oh fuck it, that day will never come, and especially not because of this video. Downvote this piece of crap, and this self-indulgent sift. At least Karaidl's sift had a ninja turtle.

how is this dadaism? Also not "low-brow, avant-gard, video punk rock." lol, upvote? NOT TODAY MOTHERFUCKER!

The last roast of Choggie was like taking the Sift's main celebrity to task, so this one's kinda like pulling a splinter from our toe.

Taking a quick browse through his latest comments - they reek of futile stupidity, as he persists in promoting videos that can't be promoted - like a dumb little kid swinging and missing the goddamn baseball everytime even though it's just sitting there on the T. Hey! Those are all my videos! Keep your virtual boner to yourself, I'm not THAT awesome.

I think my fiance would shoot me.

That's the most interactive blow-up doll I've ever heard of.

Just going off his personal, interesting choice of beer, "Troegs Hopback," I think it's safe to assume Holmz thinks of himself as an avant-garde sort of unique individual. That is to say, he's a douchebag. Drink Bud Light like a normal person, not some emo loner. Nobody likes a guy who gets aroused at the thought of being an nonconformist.

Well, I'm looking forward to the next roast, when we take on somebody who matters, instead of digging deep into the sweaty, nether regions of the Sift.