>> ^heropsycho:
Explain how the US got out of the Depression then. You most certainly can spend your way out of a depression. All those tanks, planes, bombs, guns, war material, all of it was paid for with money the US gov't didn't have on a record scale never before seen to that point.
You absolutely can't refute that. The US gov't did not have the money to pay for WWII, and they borrowed a butt ton to win the war, and it fueled the US ascension to becoming an economic superpower. That's how glued you are to your ideology that you can't see the obvious example in history where you're absolutely 100% dead wrong. It's like saying Jews have never been systemically persecuted with the obvious example of the Holocaust in history.
>> ^quantumushroom:
What I find absolutely appalling about QM's argument is there's no context in why the debt was run up by Obama. It's really simple - the economy was in free fall. That's exactly what the gov't must do in that situation. Everybody knew it. Bush Jr. knew it, too, which is why the stimulus and bailouts started under him, and continued by Obama. It's painfully obvious to anyone who is willing to have an honest conversation about this topic.
Bush Jr. was not a true conservative. Nobody spends their way out of a depression, it's Keynesian bullplop. Why we can't have an honest convo about this topic: leftsift refuses to acknowledge who pays the most in taxes in America, and that the only reason Obama needed to overclock spending was because he could.


It's this line of thinking that has brought us to where we're at now. Using your line of reasoning one should pay their mortgage bill with a credit card and then take out a home equity loan to pay the credit card bill. It's economic suicide.

Explain how the US got out of the Depression then. You most certainly can spend your way out of a depression. All those tanks, planes, bombs, guns, war material, all of it was paid for with money the US gov't didn't have on a record scale never before seen to that point.

You absolutely can't refute that. The US gov't did not have the money to pay for WWII, and they borrowed a butt ton to win the war, and it fueled the US ascension to becoming an economic superpower. That's how glued you are to your ideology that you can't see the obvious example in history where you're absolutely 100% dead wrong. It's like saying Jews have never been systemically persecuted with the obvious example of the Holocaust in history.

>> ^quantumushroom:

What I find absolutely appalling about QM's argument is there's no context in why the debt was run up by Obama. It's really simple - the economy was in free fall. That's exactly what the gov't must do in that situation. Everybody knew it. Bush Jr. knew it, too, which is why the stimulus and bailouts started under him, and continued by Obama. It's painfully obvious to anyone who is willing to have an honest conversation about this topic.
Bush Jr. was not a true conservative. Nobody spends their way out of a depression, it's Keynesian bullplop. Why we can't have an honest convo about this topic: leftsift refuses to acknowledge who pays the most in taxes in America, and that the only reason Obama needed to overclock spending was because he could.

Thanks Enoch you are a pivotal force of my ascension.


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woohoo!
congrats on the gold brother!
best achievment in my opinion.

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Congrats on being our first new ruby ascension Duckman - couldn't happen to a better bloke.

This is the imagery liberals love and have been trying to foist on the public long before The Kenyan's Ascension: soupline America. First exploited to blame Bush, then to sell Barry/Rahm's scamulucrisis.

The only solution is to give these people free housing and medical care. Take THAT, rich Uncle Pennybags!

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I join you comrade in congratulations of the ascension of the Zombie people to gold power. Fresh brains will be distributed to all according to their needs!

Many thanks dag!


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This is a neat clip. In honour of your recent ascension to diamond, I *promote thee

You're the tops, benevolent webmaster!


>> ^dag:
This is a neat clip. In honour of your recent ascension to diamond, I promote thee

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This is a neat clip. In honour of your recent ascension to diamond, I *promote thee

Thanks!

The whole dad thing is still quite new to me but I love it!

I thought I would have to wait around to celebrate until ascension next year (thats when fathers day is celebrated in germany)

>> ^thepinky:

How is a church that encourages people to be good, that promotes strong and happy lifestyles and families, and that does an incredible amount of humanitarian work anything like Saddam Hussein's secret police?

Both are organisations with an ideology and a uniform.
The fact that followers of the ideology might be pleasant people does not support the ideology, whether it is Saddam's or Smith's or anyone else's.


... on a regular basis receive ridicule and real live persecution because of ignorance and intolerance (see my reply to dag), and the users of videosift are perpetuating that attitude toward them. It's sad.

Some people would say that insulting Christianity by claiming that Jesus visited your country and ordained a magic hat is both ignorant and intolerant. I think almost all organised religion is by definition intolerant of others. You can't tolerate justifiable attacks on the integrity of your organisation, you have to demand they stop. Why should they stop? Sure the retards going on about polygamy should update their criticism, but you're still gonna get criticised. You got a big temple and stuff. That's a legitimate target.


I didn't mean that it [the magic hat] is unimportant, I just mean that it isn't doctrinally significant enough to put in a short summary.

it undermines the validity of your organisation. it is a "dirty secret".


Mormons believe that Jesus died on Calvary, was resurrected after 3 days, and following his ascension into...heaven or whatever you want to call it, he visited Christians in the Americas.

And Smith died how? Resisting arrest with gunfire? Isn't that a bit weird for a Christian?
Now do you see my point?

Relax, I am not saying you are a bad person doing bad things. I am just saying it's highly debatable whether or not there is any foundation for your insistence on the particular strand of religion called "mormonism" ... other than you were born into it.

>> ^MINK:
there were probably nice members of saddam hussein's secret police but that doesn't legitimise saddam's ideology.
i think the thing is that all organised religions are kinda flawed and to say that one is "better" than another, or should be "excused because it's followers are nice" is really weak.
if the magic hat part of mormonism is so unimportant, why not just say you are a happy active jesus follower, instead of insisting on specifically following the guy with the magic hat? it might be a fine system to use in your community if you are brought up in that tradition, but these days we have contact with other peoples and ideas, and going around with a book that you literally pulled out of a hat is always going to be controversial.
jesus died on a cross, not in a gunfight. that IS important.


It's like you're trying to make a false analogy. How is a church that encourages people to be good, that promotes strong and happy lifestyles and families, and that does an incredible amount of humanitarian work anything like Saddam Hussein's secret police?

Who's asking to be excused? Yes, the followers are nice. If the church creates more good in the world than it does bad, if the people are happier than they would be had they not been members, why need it be excused? Yet it does on a regular basis receive ridicule and real live persecution because of ignorance and intolerance (see my reply to dag), and the users of videosift are perpetuating that attitude toward them. It's sad.

I didn't mean that it is unimportant, I just mean that it isn't doctrinally significant enough to put in a short summary. And can you hear yourself suggesting that Mormons become like other Christians? Can you really not see why that's wrong? Heck, why don't Muslims become mainstream Christians, too? Then they won't have to deal with controversy.

Mormons believe that Jesus died on Calvary, was resurrected after 3 days, and following his ascension into...heaven or whatever you want to call it, he visited Christians in the Americas. I don't really know what you meant by that.

What a perfect video to watch on Ascension.

Awesome first sift. I'll be watching your rapid ascension through the ranks.