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bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Holy sheep shit! The CIA has released information about a plot by Trump/Kushner in Oct 2020 to set up a secret communication channel with Russia using Russian diplomatic facilities in order to avoid any American monitoring of the pre-inauguration discussions (but clearly Russia would know all). Just one more instance of maga selling America to our long term enemies, in your eyes another “nothingburger” like every crime Trump commits, but if Biden did anything close it would be treason that requires a civil war.

Meanwhile maga representatives are saying on camera that everything they do in the House of Representatives should be about electing Trump…not protecting America, not improving the economy, not addressing immigration, not working to solve America’s issues, not anything positive, just help Donny….but nooooo…it’s not a cult. 😂

The judge actually corrected VonShitsinpants’s lies from the bench, namely the idiotic lie that the gag order means he cannot testify, a pure total lie he’s telling his moronic followers to excuse his not testifying…because there’s no way in hell he’s testifying without convicting himself of multiple crimes, he’s absolutely incapable, everybody knows it. It seems he was trying to set up an ineffectual council defense pretending his lawyer told him the gag order stops him from testifying or is even in effect inside court…the judge destroyed that weak attempt by correcting the lie on the record, Trump CAN testify, he chooses not to, just like every other case he’s been convicted of, he never testifies, it’s the smartest move he’s ever made.
His second chair lawyer ruined her legal reputation today arguing with Merchan over getting pre approval to violate the gag order again by retweeting posts that violate the orders, which is not a thing. The judge obviously turned them down, saying the order is crystal clear on its face, judges don’t give advisory opinions to defendants, and if they’re unsure if they’re about to violate the order AGAIN maybe just don’t post it, duh.

Came out today from people in the room that when sanctions were being set he tried to remove China from the countries being sanctioned because Xi was nice to him on the phone and so he promised he would.
Also in court today, Trump and Cohen on tape discussing setting up payments to his mistresses, how to hide the payments and not pay in cash, etc. 😂

PS- STILL WAITING!

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy jokingly says...

Wow. The head of the RNC Laura Trump claims to have lawsuits in 81 states. Impressive! Republicans are so anti American now that their leadership has no idea how many states exist! 81!?! 😂
They are so incompetent don’t have offices open in most states, including swing states! Down ballot candidates are 100% on their own…just that shit covered cinder block that is Trump hanging around their neck as they run for office against fit candidates without baggage. 😂

She also claimed on air that they have inserted RNC operatives into election offices and they will physically be handling and examining and objecting to votes as they come in…which is 100% illegal. Not smart to telegraph that election fraud scheme so early that they can be discovered and prosecuted before the election, but it’s maga, you’re never smart.

Then she goes on to say they will have lawyers stationed at polls, to prosecute any democrats they catch cheating. (Apparently she’s unaware that every vote fraud in the last 8 years was a Republican cheating to help Trump.). Not only is that not how the law works, lawyers don’t do the investigation, it’s also 100% illegal election interference and voter intimidation, and it’s unlikely any actual lawyers would volunteer for something so obviously guaranteed to lose them their license if they’re caught.

Meanwhile in Florida Trump’s lawyers have admitted the FBI never searched a secret hidden room in Trumps bedroom hidden behind a dresser with a secret door, essentially begging the FBI to come raid Mar a Lago again because they missed the most important secret hidden areas (after being told in sworn statements that all documents were accounted for and turned over).

Meanwhile in AZ 18 co conspirators in the election fraud scheme were indicted by a grand jury including the election integrity officer for the RNC who was just indicted on charges of violating election integrity. Far right media won’t cover this story, because they know how awful it is that more MAGA election fraud is FINALLY being prosecuted. Trump is named as (so far) unindicted coconspirator #1 in that indictment.

Meanwhile in DC Trump’s lawyers argue that unless the law used to prosecute the president includes a special provision allowing the law to be applied to the president it cannot be applied and the president is above that law, unprosecutable even after impeachment, and argued that any crimes committed to close to the end of their term to be impeached before leaving office are gimmes…completely unprosecutable under any circumstances, this includes fomenting a coup, murder, rapes, theft, disclosing state secrets….literally anything. They argue that a president is an emperor above all laws and untouchable. If true, Biden will have Trump assassinated November 3rd, then step down on the 8th before impeachment but after winning the election to give Harris the reigns. 😂

Meanwhile in New York Trump was served with more violations of the gag order while he was awaiting the ruling on the first 10 violations of the gag order…so it’s likely he’ll be fined for those and told any more he goes to jail, and he’s already violated it multiple times since his hearing.

Also meanwhile in New York his latest attempt to get a new trial or set aside the Carrol judgement for no legitimate reason was denied. The “L”s just keep coming!

NYC Stores Surrender To Thieves

newtboy says...

lol. Every accusation an admission. You’re so blind deaf and dumb you don’t even know you tried and failed with this narrative before.
No amount of proof ever sways your belief in nonsense. You still cannot ever admit you were wrong despite NEVER being right. It’s hilarious you don’t understand how insecure that proves you are.
No amount of pulling ever removes your head from your ass.

The straw man, that if I don’t agree cities are lawless cesspools I’m claiming they’re utopian gardens of Eden or Shangri-la, is asinine and the level of thought I expect from someone so wholly dishonest and intellectually void.

Once again you can’t argue against or even understand any point I made, so you just make a baseless blanket insult. Very Trumpian of you.

bobknight33 said:

To a blind man everything to blissful.

Sorry you can't see the reality of life.

Try rubbing the shit out of your eyes.

Crosswalk Visibility Insurance

cloudballoon says...

What's so "seen" about carrying a (foam) brick to cross the road? That drivers would be afraid the pedestrian will throw the brick at them for not stopping and purposely run him/her/(pronoun) over?

Those fake bricks are probably germ incubators even for a short term. And I wouldn't be surprised assholes would just stick all kinds of gums, mucus and phlegm all over the bricks for "giggles" ... almost EXPECTED nowadays. And what about what's gonna happen if a pedestrian with the brick in case a close call? Is the "safety campaign" trying to legitimize throwing bricks at cars?

The whole idea is just problematic to me as a safety/social experiment.

Just be careful, look both ways before crossing and stop looking at the phone while crossing for a few seconds should do the trick.

Yes, we can argue that onus is on the drivers to avoid pedestrians getting hurt. But it's ALWAYS the pedestrians getting hurt/killed in accidents, rarely the other way around. I wouldn't leave MY life in other peoples hands whenever I cross a road, having the right of way or not.

Arizona House Expels Republican Member

luxintenebris jokingly says...

just to give some perspective...on how today's GOP is...compared to how it was...

RE: Senate Robert Packwood's expulsion

"At one point, the Ethics Committee had to get full Senate approval to seek a court order to enforce a subpoena for a voluminous diary kept by Packwood during his time in the Senate...Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who is now the Senate majority leader, delivered a speech on the Senate floor in 1993, arguing for enforcement of the subpoena.

"Are we up to the job?," McConnell asked rhetorically, though it was an open question at the time. "Can we through the instrument of the Ethics Committee impartially and thoroughly investigate incidences of misconduct by our colleagues and will we give the committee the authority it needs to get the job done right?"

https://www.npr.org/2017/11/27/566096392/when-bob-packwood-was-nearly-expelled-from-the-senate-for-sexual-misconduct

but it seems worse today.

after seeing the evidence against NJ Sen. Bob Menendez, it seems that the U S Senate, in general, on being held to the highest standards - those standards aren't being held. or even attempted anymore.

Any wonder the Capitol, Congress, or SCOTUS is viewed contemptuously - not just for the obvious slandering politics - but for the glaring ethics violations?

Would have added the Presidency, but that's gone UP in recent years. 91 counts versus nil (which could be part of his campaign).

anyway...found M.C.'s speech smirk-inducing.

2023 Was Already Over 1.5 °C Above Pre Industrial Averages

newtboy says...

It’s scary to me that we found out that today (last year in fact) we are already exceeding the temperature spike most people believe is predicted for 2050, the temperature at which scientists determined KNOWN feedback loops may outpace our ability to mitigate greenhouse gasses even with maximum effort on all fronts and spending every possible dollar and still (almost) NO ONE CARES.

It has barely made the news anywhere, definitely not on any of the major U.S. networks and will never be on anti-science righty media.

I would shout “WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!” But it’s abundantly clear humanity is completely comatose and shows no sign of recognizing the situation we are in no matter what they see outside their own windows daily.

The pot is boiling and we frogs are still arguing over how wet the water is.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Uh oh….the Matt Gaetz child sex trafficking, drugging, and raping investigations have ramped up, requesting the sealed DOJ records from the Bill Bar investigation that ended without explanation despite his cohort being prosecuted.
Enjoy his sexual history being publicized and used to show what child mollesters and protectors of known child molesters MAGA all are. No surprise since you are led by a serial rapist and well known incestuous pederast.

Trump’s last day in his rape trial was another disaster…showing up late, Habba arguing with the judge and being threatened with prison for contempt, trying and failing to introduce evidence in closing, Trump walking out during closing (all of which show disrespect to the jury and of the system). The best argument given in closing was that Carrol benifits by having her reputation destroyed and receiving multiple death and rape threats daily for years and should be thanking her rapist and abuser because she got a few followers online (so it’s a wash?)…I don’t think that went over well.
Trump was incredibly stupid to post that he will not stop defaming her ever while on trial for defaming her…of course that was shown to the jury right before they went to decide how much to find him to make him stop.
She has asked for $24 million in actual damages and severe punative damages, don’t be surprised if they’re 10x actual damages. Remember, Trump claims to be worth near 10 billion…so it wouldn’t be outrageous if they award a few billion, 50% of his claimed net worth. Fun fact, he will have to post a cash bond in that amount just to file an appeal ! 😂

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Trump has argued that he was never an officer of the United States to the Supreme Court. He says he wasn’t the president.
In 1982, Nixon v Fitzgerald, the court established that the president IS an officer of the United States, specifically the Chief Constitutional Officer of the Executive Branch, so if he wasn’t an officer, he wasn’t president. Apparently Habba doesn’t know how to google, much less how to research case law or she would have known. Fail #1

They also argue he didn’t personally engage in insurrection (he did, the election denial was an insurrection, all the fake electors were an insurrection, trying to invalidate millions of votes was an insurrection, trying to “find” enough votes to steal states he had lost is an insurrection, sending thousands to the Capitol to physically “stop the steal” was an insurrection) but they have completely ignored the “or given aid or comfort” part of the clause because he has absolutely given mountains of aid and comfort to those convicted of seditious insurrection by raising money for their defense, defending them publicly, calling them patriotic heroes, creating a song he sold for their benefit, and promising them pardons, so they have no defense to having given aid and comfort to insurrectionists along with most MAGA congresspeople. Prepare for their expulsion after Trump loses. Fail #2

Since he claims he was never an officer, so not really president, his immunity claims don’t even need to be litigated, only the actual president, highest OFICER in the American government AND the American military has any immunity and he says that was never him…and it’s only severely qualified immunity, not 100% total complete omnibus immunity…otherwise Biden/Harris would simply have Trump’s plane secretly shot down and claim total immunity….duh. Fail #3

Thanks Habba! Worst lawyer in American history trying some of the most important cases, and putting on invalid defenses she hasn’t thought through and in many cases completely forgetting to put on any defense at all. She’s the best lawyer in America that will stoop to defending Trump, and is guaranteeing he loses every case!

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Trump argued in court that a president could order seal team 6 to murder his political rival and would be 100% immune from prosecution (unless he was first impeached) because ordering seal team 6 is an official action of the president which Trump’s team is arguing makes him immune until impeached, and that a president cannot be impeached after leaving office, meaning if you commit the treason or murder (or any crime at all) so near the end of your term you can’t be impeached before leaving office you get off Scott free…even if you leave early to escape prosecution.

Hate to tell you, they’re 100% wrong and they are going to lose…one of the judges asked the question about assassinations using seal team 6. Trump’s lawyer fucked the infantile answer so badly it’s now being forced to carry his stillborn progeny to term.

Note, if they say he’s not guilty of the 91 counts not because he didn’t do them but because absolute presidential immunity is a thing, Biden can have him assassinated tomorrow as an official act and as long as it stays classified until January, no crime no foul! Trump will have just made presidential assassinations 100% legal. Thanks Trump! 😂

Trump also argued he could pardon himself, so Biden could do that too….if Trump “wins” in court.

What’s hilarious is they clearly haven’t thought it through at all….if his argument wins AND he wins the presidency (and isn’t assassinated on Jan 6), his entire term will be impeachment hearings over the 91 felony charges he’s facing because he will be president again and double jeopardy doesn’t apply because he was never in jeopardy before since these cases get thrown out without prejudice. Winning in court and winning the ballot is a HUGE LOSS for Trump…unless he immediately quits and his vp pardons him.

As a bonus, Trump’s team presented “new evidence” (not allowed) in his appeal that was an anonymous undated fake “election fraud report” actually drafted by his own team member, Liz Harrington, not election fraud experts, and it’s chock full of arguments that have already failed in court…that and his own tweets.

Judge Pronounced Trump Guilty Before Trial Began!

newtboy says...

Ok Bob. I explained summary judgement and prima facie cases in small easy to understand words.
You still post this unmitigated stupidity as if you don’t understand.
Are you honestly so dumb, so incapable of learning the simplest of legal doctrines, that when undisputed evidence proves the case during discovery no trial is needed.
The business records from the Trump organization are incontrovertible, for taxes he listed one value, for collateral he listed another value that was 3-10000 times the assessed value.
Maralago is the prime example, because he went to court disputing the $18 million evaluation for taxes AS TOO HIGH! Now he claims he was committing massive tax fraud because it’s really worth $1.8 BILLION. That is known as banking fraud, tax fraud, wire fraud, and business fraud. He cannot dispute those facts, so he was found guilty before a trial started, as usual in the American justice system.
Also, in a civil trial you only need to prove it’s more likely than not, not prove beyond doubt the accusations are true…but they have proven beyond any doubt that the accusations are true in discovery…when the admissibility of evidence is argued BEFORE a trial starts.
Just like Giuliani who didn’t dispute the slander before trial so was found guilty without trial, he couldn’t dispute the evidence without committing perjury so he didn’t take the stand to defend himself at all…just what he said guilty people do. 😂

Either you know this and are just lying like an idiot because you are frustrated at being such a constant loser or you are actually just too stupid to understand that when you’re caught red handed with your hand in the cookie jar and your dick in the little boy, you’re caught and you’re guilty.

You just love to look like a braying moron, don’t you? Congratulations traitor, you do.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Once again your damaged brain fails to understand.
This set of documents is information about HOW Russia interfered, and as or more importantly how we obtained the information about who was interfering and how….like methodology, names of individuals, what classified intelligence we received from what other countries with names and methods of their sources, etc.

It is not about the Mueller investigation into Trump/Russia collusion that was out in the open… “Russia, if you’re listening…”…”absolutely we want to meet Russian agents to discuss dirt on Hillary, come to Trump tower and we’ll arrange a trade”….”don’t worry about the sanctions Obama imposed, Mr Putin, Trump will remove them day one….but shhhhhh, this conversation is technically treason.”…etc. the investigation Barr hid, redacted, edited, and lied about to protect Trump…the report that suggested he should be prosecuted.

Yes, he wanted to declassify it so he could legally take it and sell it to whoever, but he DIDN’T because he was too busy failing at his coup and being incompetent and reportedly tried to declassify the thousands and thousands of pages of sensitive top secret intelligence in the binder starting in literally the last 15 minutes of his administration, but he (or his people) did take it anyway, or maybe worse just lost it. Someone is going to prison over that.

Damn you are gullible, stupid, and incapable of following an adult conversation. This is what, the fourth, fifth, sixth time in one week that you intentionally misunderstood/misstated the clear and simple to understand position I wrote and instead argued against some red herring/paper tiger YOU created from your own delusions. It’s all you’ve got. 😂
You do this because you can’t contradict what I wrote, so you need to change it to something nonsensical you can argue against. Silly boy.

….But let’s say your dementia born fantasy is correct, it’s still a crime for him to take the binder of still highly classified documents after he’s no longer president. We’ve been down that road before …I know you can’t understand how it’s possible Trump doesn’t have absolute unlimited power in perpetuity, but it’s reality. You should join us here.

bobknight33 said:

Let get this straight. Trump wants to declassify this classified document(s) that would prove he colluded with Russia to win in 2016? Declassified documents would then be available to all who ask and hence put the finals nails in own political coffin.


You think this makes sense?


Damn you are gullible and stupid.

"Hunter Biden Spent $872K on Hookers" - Facing 9 Indictment

newtboy says...

😂 Tantrum much!? 😂

I know reading and comprehension are weak points for you, it’s sad and shocking to see how weak.
Another reason to not believe you could earn the lowest of tech degrees…I can’t imagine you passed middle school when you can read my very short clear statement and come up with that. I spelled it out simply and clearly, and you 100% got it 100% wrong and continue to argue against something never said….typical for you because you can never back up your claims so you must pretend the topic is something else.

I never said there’s no tax fraud case, I said your title is a total lie and is debunked in the video itself. That’s a fact. You’re a constant liar. No amount of your intentionally misstating facts or what I said will change that, it reinforces it.

I have said if it wasn’t a politically motivated attack on Joe, Hunter would never be prosecuted for any of the minor crimes he did commit, he would be offered a plea deal with a fine, like he originally was. I stand by that statement. Wanna try again?

Hunter was late paying his taxes…he has paid them at this point unlike Trump who is still over $250 million behind in his NY state taxes and has defrauded the federal government out of at least that much, likely 10 times that amount.
Consider, Trump pays taxes on Maralago as if it was worth $20 million (and he complained and sued because he said that was too HIGH, it was worth LESS for tax purposes). If, as he claims, it’s really worth $1.8 BILLION…he needs to pay property taxes on $1.78 BILLION he evaded for 40 years…according to Trump himself he’s evaded over $700 MILLION in property taxes on Maralago alone. That’s quite a bit worse than Hunter’s late payment, and is only one example out of thousands where Trump defrauded the country out of hundreds of millions. 😂
If Hunter’s crimes are prison worthy, the Trumps’ are execution worthy.

😂 Fake news! 😂
I know you can’t accept the truth, bob. We all know. You deny reality daily, on every front.

HUNTER HUNTER HUNTER…..The Hunter laptop is a long dead horse, just like the election fraud fraud, every attempt to legitimize it only ended up proving how much MAGA had tampered with the data, making it not evidence but propaganda. You’ve been trying to sell this nonsense for 5-6 years now. Nobody’s buying, and nobody’s listening anymore. You can only cry wolf so many times before the villagers stop listening and start hoping a wolf will eat you and shut your lying mouth permanently….you passed that point years and years ago, friendo.

No need to google anything about the laptop, it’s nothing. The FBI proved the data had been forged by Giuliani’s team. Nothing there makes any case for anything besides more MAGA frauds perpetrated on the courts, it’s a well established pattern for MAGA, and it’s a losing strategy, because you keep getting caught! Try again. 😂

Hunter is living rent free in your head, and he’s got a mansion in there with a pool, hot tub, putting green, even a driving range, and there’s still empty space for expansion. He’s not even a politician, so why would anyone care about him? It makes the lying, exageration, and hysterics hilarious self owns by you and yours. Another big “L” for your team…one you just can’t accept but everyone outside the cult has. Reminiscent of the big lie, only cultists believe, and everyone else just sees you losing your shit over your own lies not catching on. 😂

Hilarious how the mantra was “family is off limits” when it came to Trump despite the constant nepotism, but not for his enemies despite their complete lack of involvement in politics. More dishing it out but unable to stand it from your cowardly leader…he was even to scared to testify in his own defense! What a sniveling little fat cowardly baby, cowering because he has something to hide according to his spokesperson Haba.

Nothing you claim about Hunter is true, (fortunately MAGA is so untrustworthy that no one cares what stupidity you lie) and nothing Hunter has done makes one whit of difference about his father. Keep focusing on him, ignoring the same tax crimes comitted by Trump but by a factor of 250 or more…voters notice the hypocrisy and it guarantees your loss next year….meanwhile Joe has rescued the economy in every possible way from the utter disaster and guaranteed recession/depression Trump left,
IN EVERY WAY BOB, INCLUDING INFLATION THATS AT 0% while MAGA eats itself alive and gets absolutely nothing done! 😂

Of course I’m not clicking your link, if ever there was a site I would expect to host malicious viruses, it would be the Russia/MAGA hosted anti Biden pdf site you pointed people to. Why would any rational person expose their computer to attack to download and read your pure faked propaganda? A: they wouldn’t.

It’s going to be so delicious when/if Hunter beats the charges and gets Giuliani and the RNC to pay his legal bills. You morons had a guilty plea in hand and decided to go to court instead with little chance of getting more and a huge risk he might beat all charges, vindicating himself and by extension Joe…talk about snatching defeat from the mouth of victory! 😂 😂 😂

bobknight33 said:

@BSR

IF you can handle the truth: Which you can't

Hunter Biden Laptop contents, with a PDF down load link

https://bidenreport.com/#p=1

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bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

😂 Trump decided Eric had done enough damage to his case under cross examination and had him not testify for the defense.
Not good when you don’t want the person who was running the company during the period in question to testify in the business’s defense…not that he would have helped. 😂

Trumps “expert” witness admitted that, if the charges that Trump’s already been found guilty of are correct (and that’s what being found guilty means), that’s massive intentional fraud. He also testified that he had absolutely no knowledge of the facts in the case besides the minimal hyper biased data Trump supplied him (like his insistence that Maralago is worth $1.5 billion despite Trump previously going to court to argue it’s worth under $20 million for taxes, and not revealing the deed that has multiple permanent conditions that severely minimize the property value to under $20 million).

He’s already lost the case, he lost before it started and now it’s all about damages, but his defense has been so ridiculous it’s likely NY will get MORE than they’ve asked for AND banks will be coming after him for $200 million+- in interest he should have paid had his loan applications been valid. I’m pretty certain Trump doesn’t have the money to pay a half billion in fines and judgements, he doesn’t have the cash to pay his own legal bills, and won’t have his businesses to make more after the Trump crime family is tossed out of New York for underhanded criminal business practices. You better send him some of that sweet sweet Tesla cash you made, he needs you. 😂

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

lol. Manly Traitor Greene now says she was terrified for her life on Jan 6 because the armed violent rioters were so threatening and she was only saved by an unnamed congressman with a gun.
Of course, she’s claiming with no evidence that they were armed ANTIFA agents she was so afraid of (showing she doesn’t understand what ANTIFA is) and ignoring that every conviction so far has been a MAGA moron who say in court that they tried to steal the office of president for Trump.
Hilariously she doesn’t realize she’s now calling the very convicts she likes to visit in prison and call “peaceful tourists” armed rioters that made her fear for her life on Jan 6.
How does she think Pelosi felt? They weren’t chanting “where’s Marjory” while shitting on HER desk and ransacking her office.

As a bonus, Trump’s lawyers just filed a brief looking for more discovery in which they assert “Russia, through its government funded channel RT and other means, executed a Kremlin directed campaign to undermine faith in the (incumbent) US Government and fuel political protest.” (Which would clearly favor the challenger….now who was the challenger in 2016?). Yes, this is Trump arguing in court filings that he needs unredacted classified documents for his defense because Russia interfered in the 2016 and 2020 election on his behalf! 😂

Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

newtboy says...

“ It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.”
No…it is at odds with your position and is not what I said.
It is factual history that fighting age European Jews came armed and forcibly displaced the natives after being offered sanctuary for their most needy. It is not factual that I claimed it was ever thus. That is clearly not what I said, I said for 10+- years they were getting along as refugees, then started coming in HUGE numbers illegally and taking over.

Those are facts.

I also mentioned a native Jewish population that were not refugees or invaders. Some of them supported the invading Zionists, some didn’t. I’ve never heard of one who opposed them.

“ You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.”

Not even close to true, I said many stood behind the Zionists when they started coming en masse, and didn’t say but seemingly few to none of the native Jews opposed them. I also was clear that at the beginning the refugees acted like refugees, not invaders….I mistakenly gave them more time being grateful than you say they were, according to you Palestinians position is they began the invasion in the 20’s….and theirs is the opinion I care about. I never claimed ALL Arabs were welcoming, but the “nation” as a whole (despite being not self ruling at the time) welcomed a huge number of refugees considering their own population. Way more than elsewhere.

Edit: Britain, who facilitated this invasion, only took in 80000 European Jews in the decade before and during the war, and they were only given transit visas to stay temporarily until they found other accommodations. All of England took in fewer Jewish refugees in all pre war history than Palestine did….England took in 80000, most on temporary visas, Palestine took in 60000 permanently in 1935 alone, and 130000 in 33-36.
Pre-immigration Palestine had about 700000 people. In 1944 European Jews ignored the 1500 visa limit per year and came by the hundred of thousands per year after already completely overwhelming the native population.
Palestine was forcibly invaded by a foreign population exponentially bigger than the native population while Britain kept them too weak to oppose it physically.
That’s an invasion…not on day 1. 🤦‍♂️

“ without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey ”

Again, I said day 3, not day 1, and went on to say that meant 10 years later. Get off your high horse and READ buddy.

I guess I’ll stop here. If you aren’t going to read what I wrote and insist on arguing red herrings you made up yourself, you can do that alone.

Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the fact that masses of armed violent invaders came to take the land from the natives by force and were successful. The exact date this happened is not only y highly subjective, it’s completely besides the point.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the inhuman treatment they’ve subjected the innocent native civilian population to for 70 years…but you’ve tried.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the intentional targeting of trapped civilians by the military….serious war crimes Israel commits daily.
Nothing you’ve said even hints that you consider Palestinians worthy of consideration themselves, possibly not even human status, definitely not peaceful existence.

Bye



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