>> ^kulpims:
>> ^calvados:
I was going to upvote this -- important bit of infamous history and cautionary tale that it is -- until that ridiculous editing at the end. "Here, let's loop that part where he gets up and gives a whoop so that it looks like he's fucking the shattered corpse of each person on that destroyed airliner." Very poor taste.

i agree about that silly montage at the end, not necessary. however, the fact remains, those guys got away with mass murder. and ask yourself - what was their fucking business, patroling the iranian waters? defending the interests of some jumpy big oil cowboys who were afraid for their investments and didn't want iraq to loose the 1980-88 war with iran. it was the US war ship that was the agent provocateur in this case, their actions can not be defended in any international court of law. not that any US soldier will ever see the inside of one - you can't sue a stormtrooper, can you?
the russians did the same with a korean airliner for god knows what reason


What does your comment have to do with my comment? Here's two facts: the crew of the USS Vincennes were grossly negligent in this case (you seem to think I'm defending them somehow), and this video uses vulgar and idiotic editing to try and make a point which instead weakens its reportage.

>> ^calvados:
I was going to upvote this -- important bit of infamous history and cautionary tale that it is -- until that ridiculous editing at the end. "Here, let's loop that part where he gets up and gives a whoop so that it looks like he's fucking the shattered corpse of each person on that destroyed airliner." Very poor taste.


i agree about that silly montage at the end, not necessary. however, the fact remains, those guys got away with mass murder. and ask yourself - what was their fucking business, patroling the iranian waters? defending the interests of some jumpy big oil cowboys who were afraid for their investments and didn't want iraq to loose the 1980-88 war with iran. it was the US war ship that was the agent provocateur in this case, their actions can not be defended in any international court of law. not that any US soldier will ever see the inside of one - you can't sue a stormtrooper, can you?
the russians did the same with a korean airliner for god knows what reason

I do, however, concede to your dislike of the ad campaigns, although agent provocateur is somewhat more inclusive with their selection of their spokesmodels, those models still do have master stylists and makeup artists getting them ready for the camera, not to mention probable photoshop touch-ups... so with that in mind, I suppose they are not that much better than any other company trying to push their products on us.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'lingerie, advertisment, kylie, agent provacateur' to 'lingerie, advertisment, kylie, agent provocateur' - edited by raven

agent provocateur is anything but sexist or exploitative of women... in fact they've got a strong commitment to providing incredibly wonderful (albeit expensive) underthings to women of a wide range of ages and body types... and it shows in their marketing as well, because not only is kylie not the typical age of an underwear model, but, they've also recently hired Catherine Bailey, who at 46 is still a stone cold fox, to be the lead model of their new line, and before that, they had a post-preggers Maggie Gyllenhal modeling for them... and really, that's a hell of a better message than most women's clothing manufacturers send out.

so always, as I do love the sexy ladies, *promote

and *sexuality and *femme

Oh children - do you think this is something new? How many "agent provocateurs" do think were at Kent State? Or in Selma? Wake up. There is a ruling class in the world, and you are not part of it.

"Could anyone give more details? I have very little idea of what the conflict is and who is on what side."

Sure - from CBC

Organizers of the protests at the North American leaders' summit in Montebello, Que., say they have video that shows police disguised as masked demonstrators tried to incite violence on Monday.

About 1,200 protesters were in the small resort town near Ottawa as Prime Minister Stephen Harper met with U.S. President George W. Bush and Mexican President Felipe Calderon at a two-day summit to discuss issues under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America pact.

The video titled Stop SPP Protest — Union Leader stops provocateurs, posted on YouTube Tuesday, was shown at a news conference held Wednesday in Ottawa by protest organizers, including Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union, who appears in the video.

In the footage filmed Monday afternoon, three burly men with bandanas and other covers over their faces push through protesters toward a line of riot police. One of the men has a rock in his hand.

As they move forward, Coles and other union leaders dressed in suits order the men to put the rock down and leave, accuse them of being police agents provocateurs, and try unsuccessfully to unmask them.

In the end, they squeeze behind the police line, where they are calmly handcuffed.

"The Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union believes that the security force at Montebello were ordered to infiltrate our peaceful assembly and to provoke incidents," Coles told reporters. "I think the evidence that we've shown you today reinforces the view."

Coles showed photographs of the masked men's and police officers' boots taken during the handcuffing, in which they appear to have identical tread patterns on their soles.

He also questioned why other activists have been unable to identify the three men whose images have been broadcast worldwide and demanded to know who the masked men were.

"Do they have any connection to the Quebec police force or the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or are they part of some other security force that was at Montebello?" Coles asked, adding that he wants to know how the Prime Minister's Office was involved in security during the protests.

He suggested that the government might want to provoke violence in order justify its security budget for the summit and discredit protesters.

"They want to defuse our questions ... by trying to make it look like some radical group trying to create a confrontation," he said.

The RCMP has refused to comment, while Quebec's provincial force has flatly denied that its officers were involved in the incident.

It said it is not releasing any names as no charges were laid.
Retired police officer believes masked men were cops

Meanwhile, a retired Ottawa police officer who was formerly in charge of overseeing demonstrations for the force said he questions who the masked men really are, after viewing the video.

"Were they legitimate protesters? I don’t think so," said Doug Kirkland.

"Well, if they weren't police, I think they might well have been working in the best interests of police."

He added that if the situation was as it appeared, he did not approve of the tactic. "It's pretty close to baiting," he said.

On Wednesday, the mayor of Montebello thanked police and protesters, praising the fact that there wasn't a single report of damage during the two-day summit.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership pact, signed in 2005, is intended to forge closer trade and security links between the countries.

Opponents say negotiations about the agreement are secretive and undemocratic, and the treaty itself erodes Canada's control over its natural resources, security and defence.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/22/ot-police-070822.html

Very interesting. Thanks for the insight.

And you're right - Bush calls himself "The Decider" and he uses "executive privilege" as an excuse to cover his misdeeds.

Political protestors have been arrested illegally many, many times, only to be released later on. They've been shot at close range with rubber and wooden bullets, and bludgeoned without cause. They've been corralled in "free speech zones." They've had their organizations infiltrated by undercover agents working for the government, who often times proved to be agent provocateurs. All this happened in America under Bush’s rule.

I can't say I'd want to live in Belarus - but I will say I wish that America would stop looking so much like it.