>> ^Drachen_Jager:

The moon landings were faked. The secret service was complicit in the Kennedy assassination. UFOs regularly abduct and anal probe people.
Pick any of the above. Believe what you want, if you won't hold rational beliefs there's no point in trying to discuss anything with you.


I'd also like to point out I don't believe any of the popular "Conspiracy Theories" and just writing me off is rude and a pathetic attempt to bury my opinions that are supported by facts.

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

The moon landings were faked. The secret service was complicit in the Kennedy assassination. UFOs regularly abduct and anal probe people.
Pick any of the above. Believe what you want, if you won't hold rational beliefs there's no point in trying to discuss anything with you.


Wow...ok then I guess I was trying to solve that with the 9/11 Truther comments. I'm only using what our own government is saying that they didn't know who was responsible. Even if they were that doesn't justify bombing civilians to demand someone be turned over to them.

The moon landings were faked. The secret service was complicit in the Kennedy assassination. UFOs regularly abduct and anal probe people.

Pick any of the above. Believe what you want, if you won't hold rational beliefs there's no point in trying to discuss anything with you.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Good reading Enoch - I may not agree with a good portion of what you are writing about- but I think I can see where you're coming from.

I do believe that all life is connected in that we share a common experience of being alive. Beyond that I'm less than certain. I have qualms about the notion of a "spirit". It's a nebulous concept that leads to terms like "energy transfer", "harmonics" and just about anything else found in a Deepak Chopra book.

Being alive is enough for me - I don't feel the need for divinity in my life- and I hope someday the rest of the human race feels the same. >> ^enoch:

ok..
i'll chime in.
this is usually a discussion i save for something more..i dont know..in the same room type of deal.
and try to avoid internet discussions (context gets lost and the discussion has..by design..a polemic frame to it).
as some of you know i am a minister yet a can assume (with mild amusement i must add) that my comments and some of my posts may have you wondering..minister of what exactly?
well..dont get yer panties in a bunch,i am not going to do any preaching here.
all i am going to do is point out something that i find most atheists struggle with.
spirit,divinity,soul,chai,doktow,connection to the godhead..
whatever you wish to use as an adjective to define your own divinity.
what has EVERY religion,all 4500 on the planet,have in common?
that we have a soul,a spirit,a direct link to the cosmic consciousness.
argue all day on doctrine and dogma,translation but that remains the constant.
atheists do not believe in the spirit.that is their choice and they may change their mind or they may never change it.
now..
if one is an atheist they rely on science and not religious doctrine to make choices,decisions and judgements.
not a bad way to be,science has given us much.
but dag pointed out the fundamental breakdown between an atheist and someone who is aware of their true self..or spirit if you like.
he does not understand how such advanced civilizations would even bother with a race so obviously low on the civilization scale.
to study us..sure..but WHY else?
and there my friends is the disconnect.
the WHY.
the atheist..by his own belief system is literally pure ego.now i do not mean that in a derogatory way,just pointing out a fact.the ego is mind..a creation of not who we actually ARE but who we THINK we are.
so you can still be a kick ass person and still be pure ego.takes discipline though and an agile mind but it has and can be done.
the person who has become aware of their true selves ignores the ego and listens to their true self.
i am not saying one is greater or better than the other just pointing out the differences and their basic mechanics.
so..establishing the inherent differences let me explain my point.
dag does not understand because to him..we would be only a mild curiosity,but to the spiritually aware person we realize that all life is connected..especially sentient life and we are sentient but not all of us are awake.
it is this connection that all life recognizes on one level or another...even atheists.
i am no greater nor more important than a blade of grass.to you this may seem silly and even dimwitted but i assure you it is not that way and it is the more freeing than you can imagine.
no fear..no hate..no shame nor guilt.
how is that possible?
because i am aware of who i truly am and who you are and i make my choices accordingly.
so if we look at these "aliens" as not simply studying as us ants but rather as seeing us as little brothers and sisters struggling to take our first steps.then maybe we can take it a step further and look into the construct of time...lay it out like a canvas and ask..why the fuck are we even here?
are we ants to be studied?a populace to be controlled so we can buy more useless crap? on a never -ending treadmill of debt,fear and uncertainty?
or maybe the universe is far more wonderous and un-imaginable than we can even attempt to comprehend today?
maybe the universe is not so big after all?we just dont know it yet...but we will.
and im betting science will tell us how it works too!
now i dont know if aliens are here to help us walk.i dont know if they have been studying us for future food harvesting.i dont even know if they exist.
but there is a lot of information...and more and more people coming forward to tell their stories.
so a sit and watch with fascination and wonder and ask..is what they are saying true?
i dont know.i have not seen an alien nor have i been abducted but i HAVE seen some of the most extrordinary events that defy all description and laws of nature.
so just because i have not seen nor touched it i cant rule out somebody elses experience and so i sit,like dag and others,skeptical.
but i also wont rule anything out because "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."WS
but if you add the spirit element and that we are all connected.
each and every lifeform in the universe is connected.
aliens coming to help us in our next stage of evolution may not make more sense but it sure does feel/seem/sound better.
reality is the illusion gentlemen.
it is thought and consciousness that is real.

ok..
i'll chime in.
this is usually a discussion i save for something more..i dont know..in the same room type of deal.
and try to avoid internet discussions (context gets lost and the discussion has..by design..a polemic frame to it).
as some of you know i am a minister yet a can assume (with mild amusement i must add) that my comments and some of my posts may have you wondering..minister of what exactly?
well..dont get yer panties in a bunch,i am not going to do any preaching here.
all i am going to do is point out something that i find most atheists struggle with.
spirit,divinity,soul,chai,doktow,connection to the godhead..
whatever you wish to use as an adjective to define your own divinity.
what has EVERY religion,all 4500 on the planet,have in common?
that we have a soul,a spirit,a direct link to the cosmic consciousness.
argue all day on doctrine and dogma,translation but that remains the constant.
atheists do not believe in the spirit.that is their choice and they may change their mind or they may never change it.
now..
if one is an atheist they rely on science and not religious doctrine to make choices,decisions and judgements.
not a bad way to be,science has given us much.
but dag pointed out the fundamental breakdown between an atheist and someone who is aware of their true self..or spirit if you like.
he does not understand how such advanced civilizations would even bother with a race so obviously low on the civilization scale.
to study us..sure..but WHY else?
and there my friends is the disconnect.
the WHY.
the atheist..by his own belief system is literally pure ego.now i do not mean that in a derogatory way,just pointing out a fact.the ego is mind..a creation of not who we actually ARE but who we THINK we are.
so you can still be a kick ass person and still be pure ego.takes discipline though and an agile mind but it has and can be done.
the person who has become aware of their true selves ignores the ego and listens to their true self.
i am not saying one is greater or better than the other just pointing out the differences and their basic mechanics.
so..establishing the inherent differences let me explain my point.
dag does not understand because to him..we would be only a mild curiosity,but to the spiritually aware person we realize that all life is connected..especially sentient life and we are sentient but not all of us are awake.
it is this connection that all life recognizes on one level or another...even atheists.
i am no greater nor more important than a blade of grass.to you this may seem silly and even dimwitted but i assure you it is not that way and it is the more freeing than you can imagine.
no fear..no hate..no shame nor guilt.
how is that possible?
because i am aware of who i truly am and who you are and i make my choices accordingly.
so if we look at these "aliens" as not simply studying as us ants but rather as seeing us as little brothers and sisters struggling to take our first steps.then maybe we can take it a step further and look into the construct of time...lay it out like a canvas and ask..why the fuck are we even here?
are we ants to be studied?a populace to be controlled so we can buy more useless crap? on a never -ending treadmill of debt,fear and uncertainty?
or maybe the universe is far more wonderous and un-imaginable than we can even attempt to comprehend today?
maybe the universe is not so big after all?we just dont know it yet...but we will.
and im betting science will tell us how it works too!

now i dont know if aliens are here to help us walk.i dont know if they have been studying us for future food harvesting.i dont even know if they exist.
but there is a lot of information...and more and more people coming forward to tell their stories.
so a sit and watch with fascination and wonder and ask..is what they are saying true?
i dont know.i have not seen an alien nor have i been abducted but i HAVE seen some of the most extrordinary events that defy all description and laws of nature.
so just because i have not seen nor touched it i cant rule out somebody elses experience and so i sit,like dag and others,skeptical.
but i also wont rule anything out because "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."WS

but if you add the spirit element and that we are all connected.
each and every lifeform in the universe is connected.
aliens coming to help us in our next stage of evolution may not make more sense but it sure does feel/seem/sound better.
reality is the illusion gentlemen.
it is thought and consciousness that is real.

did the swedish press blood libel?

In August 2009, Aftonbladet, a leading Swedish tabloid, published an op-ed by Donald Boström containing claims that during the 1980s and 1990s Israeli soldiers had killed and abducted Palestinians whose organs were then taken without permission at the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute.[22] Later reports indicated that organs had been taken without permission, but from Israelis and Palestinians. The article initially prompted furious condemnation and accusations of an anti-Semitic blood libel from the Foreign Ministry of Israel, evolving into a diplomatic controversy between Israel and Sweden when the latter declined to officially condemn the article. More details here: Aftonbladet-Israel_controversy.

>> ^gwiz665:

Scary stuff. Incredible that he can just walk out with her like that, and sort of unbelievable that he got the idea. I mean, who gets the thought "You know, I could drag her out of here and all the way to my apartment before anyone notices".


awww yeah, terrible man...how could this happen?? What kind of world do Americans live in anyway??...where people walk around in an insulated bubble of self not giving a fuck about their fellow men....How could something like this happen??

By design, apparently.

SImply shocking....I'm appalled, watch the car fire, see the train wreck, talk about local murders with your co-workers, buy more worthless shit, toil and slave to buy a piece of the dream....let's all run towards the sirens, i think someone was decapitated, did you see that guy on fire???

>> ^Stormsinger:
I've fucking answered twice, are you blind? Or just delusional?
Teach him to knock on a door, and ask them to call the police, without going inside.
How much simpler can I make it? Five is absolutely capable of handling that, unless he's mentally retarded as well, and nothing was said about that.
Shit happens. Regardless of whether or not he was -supposed- to be left on the street alone, it happens...in any number of ways. Teaching the kid to cower in fear from everybody, just because some tiny percentage of people are nuts, isn't helping a damned thing when something -real- goes wrong.


I'm not blind, I even quoted your "training" in my last two posts. I'll quote what I JUST said
"You started off by blaming the parents for not teaching their child what to do, yet provide no examples
except "Approach a strangers house."

Which no kid in the world is going to want to do. Especially one that is.. FIVE! Honestly, have you no grasp on children? This isn't a fucking teen we're talking about. When you're 5, the only time you've EVER been out of the house is when A) You've been dropped off by a parent to a babysitter, or preschool B) You've been accompanied by an adult somewhere or C) You've been dropped off by a parent or someone you know to a friends house.

The world is a big fucking place for a kid that age. They've had NO exposure to being alone, and yet your "Answer" to all of this, is to have a kid who has probably never NOT been under some form of parental supervision, approach a random strangers house. It's NOT going to happen. You sound like you're blaming the kid for crying that he was alone for the first time, and in a strange place.

You don't seem to grasp this. I can't understand how oblivious you are, maybe you don't have kids, or were an only child, but you don't seem to have any memory or reference to what it's like to be that young. Your "Training" is invalid. Honestly, if the person whose house you're going up to is some sicko, you think the kid's going to be able to stay on the porch? Seriously?

Should they be tempted into the house by something, or should they just be forced in (Again, we're talking 3 feet high 60+ lbs children) it can happen. However unlikely, how'd it feel if it was your kid that got abducted after telling them "Go to the house, but just stay on the porch.

Again, I'm not blind, your training plan is just ludicrous.

>> ^westy
You all realize that this man didn't kill, rape, molest, or even touch a kid right? All he did was take a hard drive which he owns, and program a series of 1's and 0's into it.

Taking a picture isn't illegal (freedom of the press?). However, abducting a kid, forcing them to strip in your house...etc...well that would be illegal and those 1s and 0s would then become evidence. Heres where you argument is wrong: you are at a baseball game filming the next batter, and all of a sudden a streaker runs out on the field. You later find out he was 17 and now you are a pedophile. Sorry but taking pictures isn't (shouldn't be) a crime.

Why do you think its legal for parents to take naked pictures of their babies in the bathub?

"in short the only time something should be illegal is if it dose significant harm to others and yourself or takes away others or your own basic freedoms. "

I agree with you 100% here, but I don't see how that is consistent with what you are saying above. Arresting someone for their contents of their hard drive is like making it illegal to draw or write certain phrases or pictures on your own paper, with your own ink. Theres really just no way such a law wouldn't be a human rights violation.

Sorry to go all People magazine here, but I would like to know how they met, if they are just musical buddies or they are also a couple, if they have any pets they could have sing in any of their videos, have they ever been abducted by aliens... All that personal stuff.

>> ^IronDwarf:
This sounds like so much panicky, conspiracy theory bullshit.


There's a reason for that...because it -is- panicky, conspiracy theory bullshit.

No fucking way could any such plans be kept secret...if some hick cop can find out about it, so could every journalist in the world. And since most journalists aren't American, there's not much that could be done to silence them. The international press would be flooded with such reporting...and yet it's not. It ranks right up there with alien autopsies and abductions for believability.

No promblem. The G20, that LRAD and mysterious abduction really makes my tinfoil tingle. I think I'll go watch some Alex Jones now.

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Thanks for the promote, shhhhhhhhhhhmaaaallllweeeee.

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*Promote

EDD is right on with the vaccines; there is no debate.

well maybe there is some controversy amongst people who must partition their time evenly defending claims such as "Man never stepped on the Moon", "9-11 WAS an Inside Job", "The CIA let UFOs mutilate cows and abduct rednecks in exchange for cellphones, microchips and Playstation 3s" and other non-sense.

>> ^honkeytonk73:
Her wacky claims are not much wackier than belief in a magical sky god, zombie resurrections, and a 6000 year old planet flooded and saved by an old man on a boat.. which is due to be eradicated at 'any moment' by fire from the sky launched by a vengeful god against all who do not proclaim absolute fear and servitude under an outdated illogical book filled with inconsistencies, bigotry, and violence written and rewritten in numerous inconsistent forms in vast numbers of languages.
What is weirder? Claiming to have been abducted by aliens, or talking to an invisible magical sky god 'in your head' and thinking that thinking thoughts to that sky god actually makes a difference in the world. Prayer doesn't cure hunger. Farming does. Prayer does not cure disease, medical science does.


I'm not quite sure this video is really related that well to bashing christians, but pass your time as you wish. I'll even answer your question by stating that for my money this lady's beliefs are far crazier than most(and that includes a great number of religious believers).

Her wacky claims are not much wackier than belief in a magical sky god, zombie resurrections, and a 6000 year old planet flooded and saved by an old man on a boat.. which is due to be eradicated at 'any moment' by fire from the sky launched by a vengeful god against all who do not proclaim absolute fear and servitude under an outdated illogical book filled with inconsistencies, bigotry, and violence written and rewritten in numerous inconsistent forms in vast numbers of languages.

What is weirder? Claiming to have been abducted by aliens, or talking to an invisible magical sky god 'in your head' and thinking that thinking thoughts to that sky god actually makes a difference in the world. Prayer doesn't cure hunger. Farming does. Prayer does not cure disease, medical science does.