* I bet 299.5 million of those 300 million daily attacks on the pentagon are teenagers trying to guess FTP passwords or some such thing.

* Who knew West Virginia was such a hotspot for internet crimes

* I think this guy's in over his head in understanding computer security but to be fair he did just quote the president and ask someone else for an opinion.

"There ain't but two sides to this world: them that work, and them that don't."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Incidentally, a lot of political analysts pointed to this era as the reason why West Virginia voted so heavily against Barack Obama; they had a long-term problem with African Americans taking their jobs in the mines. Most West Virginians didn't realize that shunning them from their Union wasn't helping the situation for either party.

It's sad we divide ourselves, but it's sadder still that the world is run by people who're masters at exploiting those divisions. They advance themselves by getting people to blame a convenient scapegoat rather than taking on the real roots of the problem.

The whole conservative movement is one giant Jedi mind-trick on people; since corporations always get away with bribing government into doing things against people's interests, people's interests should be to deprive government of power over corporations.

Never mind that the end result is that the corporations get more power that way; they were always the good guys here. All the bad stuff you think they did was really just some government regulation somewhere that forced them to be evil.

This fairy tale about how unregulated free markets always lead to equality and freedom for all flies in the face of what history has taught us.

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First, I never said it disappeared into thin air. I get that there was a split, and people left that party. But, the party itself is gone. Just like the National Republican Party is gone. You don't hear people running as a Democratic Republican, do you?

Second, what straw man? The point of a straw man is to deceive. I wasn't trying to deceive you. Just because I don't dance for you when you ask me to dance, doesn't mean I created a straw man. I found your Virginia/West Virginia question to be needlessly verbose and irrelevant. Shall I entertain you like a good monkey and answer it?

Third, I'm not hung up on the "logo". I am trying my best to illustrate to you how that party was created as a separate party under Jackson. Period. Changing a logo or a mascot does not make a new party. Now you're just being childish.

From http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/D0123900.html:
"A political party in the United States that was opposed to the Federalist Party and was founded by Thomas Jefferson in 1792 and dissolved in 1828."

And why was it "dissolved" in 1828? What big party was formed in 1828? Hmmm. Oh, that's right, the Democratic Party! Want more examples? How about your own Answers.com site: http://www.answers.com/topic/democratic-republican-party. They claim it was "dissolved" in 1828, as well.

How about here: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Democratic-Republican_Party_United_States_-_History/id/4978465 "In the late 1820s, the party split into factions and dissolved. Along with some ex-Federalists, supporters of Andrew Jackson, led by Martin Van Buren, organized themselves into an offshoot of the Democratic-Republican Party called the Democratic Party. The link between today's Democratic Party and the party founded by Jefferson was a theme emphasized by Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1930s and other Democratic politicans throughout the years."

Though, I do see that written history favors the idea of The Democratic Party coming out of the Democratic Republican Party more than it favors the National Republican Party coming out of it. I will concede that much. Still, it appears the Dem-Repub Party was properly dissolved, as I said.

I know you like obtuse analogies to explain your point, so let me try one for you. If you moved out of your home and I moved in after you, am I now you? If I dress up in a Spider-Man costume, am I Spider-Man? If started a band and called it The Rolling, was Mick Jager the founder of my band?

Really? You must not have read any history books on the period then. Or clicked on the link I gave, and scanned the page.

I'm well aware of where the logo comes from...so what? If Democrats decide to start using Obama's logo from now on, does that mean Obama founded the Democratic party?

As for this:

>> ^blankfist:
I don't think anyone said if the platform is different, then the party is different. Not sure where you got that.

It came from this:

>> ^blankfist:
And there is a huge "break in the identity of the party between Jefferson's party" and the other big government, interventionist presidents you mentioned above (FDR, LBJ, Clinton, Obama). Jefferson believed the government that governs best is the government that governs least. Thomas Jefferson extended Washington's ideas in his March 4, 1801 inaugural address: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." (cited) None of the recent presidents in either party have been very Jeffersonian.

That's either a non-sequitor, or it's your only substantiated assertion. Otherwise you're just answering my references with a denial of the existence of the references I already provided, and calling sources like Encyclopedia Britannica revisionist.

I meant "identity" in a more superficial sense. The Colony of Virginia was very different from the State we now call Virginia -- but it's still Virgina. Today's Virginia still carries a thread of identity from its colony days that hasn't been broken, that didn't change when West Virginia split off, and that wouldn't change if they decide tomorrow to change the name of the state to Virg. Its history would still start with being founded as an English colony.

Now, if West Virginia, instead of remaining a distinct entity decided to just merge with Ohio, it wouldn't make Ohio's origins become the same as Virginia's, but the acquisition of that territory would certainly be an important chapter in Ohio's history. That's analogous to the situation we have with the Whigs and the Lincoln-founded Republicans.

Now, you revisionist fucker of pigs, do you have a single source that starts the history of the Democratic party with Andrew Jackson, that never mentions the Democratic-Republican party?

I know you love Jefferson, and hate Democrats, but the former begat the latter, even if you don't like it.

After we had our house apprised when we moved out from West Virginia, we found it had dangerously high levels of radon gas. For years the coal mining industry has done the same old business as usual approach to mining. It is high time that people raised some serious hell for them and demanded a change for their community.

Personally, I think sexism and racism are still big factors in this race. I think Obama would have Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia solidly in his pocket if he were white. However, I think North Carolina and Georgia would've never looked like Democratic pickups if he were white. I doubt he'll win either of those two anyways, but they're polling tantalizingly close.

As for sexism, I think with regard to Clinton, she got typecast pretty early on as a cutthroat bitch -- an epithet for which there is no male equivalent -- and all her issues in politics stemmed from having that frame around her. Had she won the primary, I doubt Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Montana, North Dakota or Indiana would've been in play, and I think the Midwest states would be about how they are now with Obama, maybe worse.

I think with regard to Palin, the way people have quickly gone from being inspired by her, to mostly seeing her as an airhead (another term that isn't easily applicable to males) was only possible because she looked like a young pretty woman -- and you know you can't take them seriously, or so the stereotype goes.

All that said, while I see race having an effect, I think things like good or bad media cycles, positions on the issues, and real world events (like the economy collapsing), will have a much larger effect.

There will absolutely be people who blame racism/sexism for a loss after the election is over, no matter what happens. I don't think many will take that theory seriously, though, unless there's some shocking disconnect between the polling and the vote tallies, though I think people would be saying "election fraud" not "racism" in that situation.

So when did the word energy replace the work oil? And since when is Alaska the only state that produces oil? 50% of the electricity in the grid comes from coal. And West Virginia is one of the biggest producers of coal in the United States. So by his reasoning, the governor of West Virginia, Joe Manchin, who went to WVU (a state college) and finished with a degree in Information Management; he's an expert on energy?

Wow... I guess politicians (mostly Republicans) take no stock in actual argumentative psychology. Maybe they could actually form a valid argument once in a while.

Little West Virginia Trivia for you. There is a dam call summersville dam, but it isn't in a town called summersville, it is in a town called Gad. But, you can't have a dam named Gad Dam now can you...thus, summersvile dam was born

#36 A duck's quack doesn't echo

#37 A snail breathes through its foot

#38 Fish cough.

#39 An ant's smell is stronger then a dog's

#40 It is possible to lead a cow up stairs but not down

#41 Shrimp can only swim backward

#42 Frogs cannot swallow with their eyes open

#43 A cat's lower jaw cannot move sideways

#44 The bullfrog is the only animal that never sleeps

#45 Elephants are capable of swimming 20 miles per day

#46 Elephants are the only mammal that cannot jump

#47 Giraffes have no vocal chords

#48 Cats can hear ultrasound

#49 Despite its hump...camels has a straight spine

#50 Mosquitoes have 47 teeth

#51 There is 63,360 inches in a mile

#52 11% of people in the world are left-handed

#53 The average women consumes 6lbs of lipstick in her lifetime

#54 The average smell weighs 760 nanograms *

#55 A human brain weighs about 3lbs

#56 1/4 of the bones in your body are in your feet

#57 You blink over 10,000,000 times a year

#58 A sneeze travels out of your nose at 100mph

#59 Brain waves can be used to power an electric train

#60 The tongue is the fastest healing part of the body

#61 Pigs get sunburn

#62 The lifespan of a taste bud is 10 days

#63 The average human produces 10,000 gallons of saliva in a lifetime

#64 Strawberries contain more Vitamin C then oranges

#65 A one-day weather forecast requires about 10 billion math calculations

#66 Americans on average eat 18 acres of pizza a day

#67 There are 18 different animal shapes in the Animal cracker zoo

#68 The longest one syllable word is "screeched"

#69 No word in the English language rhymes with month

#70 A "jiffy" is actually 1/100 of a second

#71 There is a town called "Big Ugly" in West Virginia

#72 The average person uses 150 gallons of water per day for personal use

#73 The average person spends 2 weeks of its life waiting for a traffic light to change

#74 You share your birthday with 9 million others in the world

#75 The average person makes 1,140 phone calls per year

#76 The average person spends 2 years on the phone in his/her lifetime

#77 No piece of paper can be folded more then 7 times

#78 Alaska is the most eastern and western state in the US

#79 There are 119 grooves on the edge of a quarter

#80 About 18% of Animal owners share their bed with their pet

#81 Alaska has more caribou then people

#82 August has the highest percent of births

#83 Googol is a number (1 followed by 100 zeros)

#84 Oysters can change genders back and forth

#85 The Mona Lisa has no eyebrows

#86 Until the 19th century solid blocks of tea were used as money in Siberia

#87 A mile on the ocean and a mile on land are not the same distance

#88 A ten gallon hat holds less then one gallon of liquid

#89 The average American walks 18,000 steps a day

#90 The average raindrop falls at 7mph

#91 There are more telephones than people in Washington D.C.

#92 Fish can drown

#93 A Kangaroo can jump 30 feet

#94 Lizards communicate by doing push-ups

#95 Squids can have eyeballs the size of volleyballs

#96 The average American will eat 35,000 cookies in his/her lifetime

#97 A turkey can run at 20mph

#98 When the moon is directly over you, you weigh less

#99 You burn 20 calories an hour chewing gum

#100 In a year, the average person walks 4 miles making their bed

#101 About half of all Americans are on a diet at any given time

#102 A one-minute kiss burns 26 calories

#103 Frowning burns more calories then smiling

#104 There are more then 30,000 diets on public record

#105 You will burn 7% more calories walking on hard dirt then pavement

#106 You way less at the top of a mountain then sea level

#107 You burn more calories sleeping then watching TV

#108 Licking a stamp burns 10 calories

#109 Smelling apples and/or bananas can help you lose weight

#110 Frogs never drink

#111 Only male turkeys gobble

#112 At birth, a Dalmation is always pure white

#113 The fastest recorded speed of a racehorse was over 43 mph

#114 The oldest known animal was a tortoise, which lived to be 152 years old

#115 Bamboo makes up 99% of a panda's diet

#116 The largest fish is the whale shark - It can be over 50 feet long and weigh 2 tons

#117 The starfish is the only animal that can turn its stomach inside out

#118 Honeybees are the only insects that create a form of food for humans

#119 The hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards

#120 The only continent without native reptiles or snakes is Antarctica

#121 The only bird that can swim and not fly is a penguin

#122 A duck can't walk without bobbing its head

#123 Beavers were once the size of bears

#124 Seals sleep only one and a half minutes at a time

Like he was going to win West Virginia anyway...

Tell that to people in West Virginia.

>> ^dag:
^Good point. Though he was never Muslim. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

haha. I know you just posted this, dag, but right now it looks like you're talking to yourself.

Hilary is too polarizing. He won't pick her unless he desperately needs to win West Virginia.

I did this in a small town in West Virginia. It was a blast.