I sympathize with your POV, but while I have not always had the best textbooks in school, I have actually had a few outstanding history teachers that went way beyond the textbooks. So I can say I have had good history classes in grade school.

I agree that politicians should not make decisions about this type of curricula, but for as long as I can remember, this has been the case. And not only politicians, but most ignorant politicians of the lot -- locally elected, fundamentallist, Harper Valley PTA-like politicians.

The way I see it education is a heavily political domain, since many see its purpose as indoctrination.

>> ^NordlichReiter:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/longde" title="member since April 8th, 2009" class="profilelink">longde
When have you ever gotten good history in public schools, any cultures history? See the Texas School Board on history books to understand what I mean. These are people who aren't even Historians making decisions on what should be in History books.

I didn't know other ideas of the cause of WWI until I saw a comedian talk about the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand; or the idea that Oil played a role in WWI. I also did not know the real reason behind the "blowback" in Iran (which we are still seeing take place to this day); which was caused by what is now British Petroleum and the CIA (Which was known as the Office of Strategic Services) see Mosaddegh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
The US cannot have effective history classes unless the truth is told. Truth be told half of our international (And Domestic. Don't forget about The Gulf Spill) problems are because of the need for Oil, but that is beside the point. My main argument is that teaching multiculturalism has the same problems as teaching true history.
What we are seeing in this Ethnic Studies law is the exact same shit we are seeing in Aron Ra's video above. Politicians should not be making decisions about what history should be taught. I would differ to Historians with PHDs from Major Universities.

@longde

When have you ever gotten good history in public schools, any cultures history? See the Texas School Board on history books to understand what I mean. These are people who aren't even Historians making decisions on what should be in History books.



I didn't know other ideas of the cause of WWI until I saw a comedian talk about the Assassination of Franz Ferdinand; or the idea that Oil played a role in WWI. I also did not know the real reason behind the "blowback" in Iran (which we are still seeing take place to this day); which was caused by what is now British Petroleum and the CIA (Which was known as the Office of Strategic Services) see Mosaddegh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

The US cannot have effective history classes unless the truth is told. Truth be told half of our international (And Domestic. Don't forget about The Gulf Spill) problems are because of the need for Oil, but that is beside the point. My main argument is that teaching multiculturalism has the same problems as teaching true history.

What we are seeing in this Ethnic Studies law is the exact same shit we are seeing in Aron Ra's video above. Politicians should not be making decisions about what history should be taught. I would differ to Historians with PHDs from Major Universities.

Thanks for that, a brilliant clip from a brilliant show.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
*quality

Seeing someone born before WWI, use something so technologically advanced in comparison just makes you wonder about the kind of technology we have in store for us in the years to come.

Same as Dystopian, I loved D&D at the time, but found the cartoon to be weak. I never really got into any Saturday morning stuff. Robotech was like a drug to me.

My favorite fictional shows over time have been:
The 80's Twiligh Zones (first two seasons)
Max Headroom
The Indiana Jones Chronicles - The teen years with the WWI stuff, not the little kid episodes.
(Indiana Jones was actually a real eye opener with an episode that had a character talking about how war equates to profits. Another episode going on about the philosophy of how the average person would never murder anyone, but put them in an army and they'll do it out of a sense of duty)
MST3K
ST: TNG
Red Dwarf
Babylon 5
BSG
24

For the most part I believe those shows where attempts to make good television for the sake of good television. I notice 24 has the occasional right or left wing issue thrown in, but it's rather passive.

>> ^peggedbea:
you all miss the point.
no religion does not cause war. ever. religion motivates it, and masks it and disguises them as something noble and spiritual, so that underlings will fight those wars. that makes it inherently bad. (religion, not simple spirituality) but no worse than government. period.


No amount of you saying "ever" or "period" will make you right. Religion is a factor in several war, but yes, it is rarely if ever the sole cause of it. I completely agree that religion is good for justifying a war, making it noble and spiritual and whatnot, but saying that government, as in all government, does the same is a tad naive from my perspective.

Most religions are based on the same underpinnings of faith, mysterianism and foolishness, which are in themselves bad for you. Government is a different kind of animal. There are many of the same controlling elements, yes, but it is inherently different to religion. One might see nationalism as a different kind of religious fundamentalism, with a more government slant - "anything my country/government does is right, no matter what!" - which is quite bad too, I'll agree.

Where's the difference between a factor, a motivator, a cause, and influence etc.? That actual "cause" for a war is rarely just one thing, there are many things playing a part to heighten the tension, religion being one of those. The cause is not merely "the last straw", like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand that sparked WWI.

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Don't forget the Finns had the world's greatest sniper of all time Simo Häyhä, the White Death to help crush Soviet troops' morale to new lows.

I'm not Finnish and although the soldiers of my nation achieved some of the most amazing feats in WWI, I have no doubt whatsoever that the story of this war and how Finland drove the Soviet army back is one of the most awe-inspiring in modern history. The Finns literally won due to their ability to use their own land, relief and terrain to their advantage. You just can't top that.

Done, thanks Disco!


In reply to this comment by evil_disco_man:
Your Johnny Cash video "The Man Comes Around" is dead...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Johnny-Cash-When-The-Man-Comes-Around-WW1-footage

Here's a good replacement, but you might wanna change the title since it doesn't involve WWI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9BpfLhpEME

Your Johnny Cash video "The Man Comes Around" is dead...

http://www.videosift.com/video/Johnny-Cash-When-The-Man-Comes-Around-WW1-footage

Here's a good replacement, but you might wanna change the title since it doesn't involve WWI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9BpfLhpEME

What an epic douche bag. Training was inadequate? WWI style? Hello, it's not like we had ever faced a battlefield like Iraq before that. Prior to OIF, conflict in urban areas was limited to minor skirmishes. We've never fought a full war in an urban environment.

After listening to more, sounds to me like he was just a shitbag that couldn't take it. And yes, "taking them to the treeline" is a good practice because it keeps a Marine's record clean. If a Marine fucks up enough that he needs to be taken to the treeline, then what he endures is meant to keep him on edge, to think twice before acting so that he doesn't make the same mistake again. If you always let the command know about it, when it comes time for him to be eligible for promotion, even if he has turned around and is a stellar Marine, they (the command) might still think of him as a shitbag - and then not promote him. Because when you do good, no one knows. When you fuck up, everyone knows.

And underage drinking in the Marine Corps? Where the fuck is underage drinking NOT common!?
Four years and only got LCpl? Yup. Shitbag. Shut the fuck up and quit whining just because you couldn't hack it.

>> ^joedirt:
Screw that, since when should we be using YT videos...

Welcome to 2009 Dirt. The terrorists have no problem using the new media to publicize real or faux scenes of causualties (or mujahadeen decapitation sessions a' la A.Q. in Iraq did for a while). The good guys (US and IDF) need to be in this arena as well.

War coverage changes with the times:
US Civil War - Telegraph
WWI - Radio
WWII - Film
Viet Nam - TV

TV and especially Newspapers are a dying medium. Here is where it's at. And this allows interested citizens (like you and I) a voice. And while we disagree, I appreciate being able to hear yours.

Hmm, now I want to play some CoH.. wrong conflict but not too many mud slog WWI titles out.

Article about three of the ONLY FOUR surviving WWI veterans in England.

Lurch is a vet. I haven't seen him around though.
There's a couple others, but I can't remember their names.

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