Idiot rapist mr trump has now (not including today) uncontrollably posted 50 more libelous statements about his rape victim, Carrol, since his second lying about rape trial started, and given numerous slanderous press conferences/interviews…the same kind he’s twice convicted of already and paid $5 million for the first case and awaits her second (much larger) judgement.
The jury saw what he posted during jury selection in opening statements. They will see the rest in closing statements right before deciding how much to fine him. Do you think his actions are those of a smart man, or someone having an uncontrollable tantrum?
They could easily just decide the price has been set…$5 million per statement, making it $250 million so far with likely 5 more days of his libeling and slandering her continuously WHILE AWAITING JUDGEMENT FOR LIBEL AND SLANDER! The jury is supposed to decide how much it will take to stop him and he thinks this will minimize his exposure? This judgement could actually dwarf the NY State judgement he has coming for $350 million and ending his businesses.
You don’t really believe he has $700+ million to spare, do you? 😂 you know the banks own all his properties, not him, right? You do know his billionaire status is only self claimed, never corroborated, right? 😂
Syphilis really destroys your brain. Probably why he thinks it’s ok to complain publicly (in New Hampshire) how ridiculous it was that after he lost the election he had to follow the law as he’s facing 91 counts for not following the law when he lost the election.

PS- Speaker of the house says Biden was ordained by God. MAGA insists that the Democratic Party has more power than God and overpowered him to install Biden against God’s wishes. 😂

PPS- Trump has set up what amounts to a charity (the Patriot Freedom Project) to help support, aid, and comfort the Jan 6 insurrectionists, many of which have been convicted of seditious insurrection so the claim they aren’t insurrectionists is factually and legally invalid, he has headlined many of their functions, and even hosted them at his properties for free. I wonder how the MAGA brain thinks that isn’t offering aid and comfort to insurrectionists…another violation of the 14th, can you explain?

Still waiting coward. 😂

Waiting for you to grow a pair big enough to admit just once that you were 100% wrong. Pretty certain you are 100% incapable of admitting it, but I’m not letting you walk away from it.
Contrary to your lies, Trump is named repeatedly in the recent Epstein document release, listed as a person who raped a 13 year old girl…you claimed he’s not listed at all. He’s also on the Lolita Express passenger list going to Child Rape Island 7 times in a 4 year period, despite having his own plane.
Trump also slept with his daughter, raped 27 women and 13 year old girls, sexually assaulted nearly every attractive woman he’s ever met, and was recorded bragging about ALL of it. Not to mention being a thief, fraud, tax cheat, terrorist, treasonous insurrectionist, pederast, and dementia ridden constant liar. He doesn’t know where he is most days, and proves it by saying the wrong place on stage, can’t remember who is president (he thinks it’s Obama), can’t remember who was president 2017-20 (often blames Biden for things in 2020 or earlier), fears that we might get into WW2, and calls for ending the constitution and presidential elections because he deserves it. 🤦‍♂️

https://videosift.com/video/Suddenly-it-all-makes-sense

You’ve been saying that about Ukraine for years, Vlad. Sucker. They have proven you wrong every time you tried to predict the war’s future….not that you would ever admit it.
They are having issues because Republicans blocked much needed aid for months clearly trying to help Trump’s friend, Putin, and hurt democracy.

Why don’t you ever even admit to yourself that you are always wrong? Why is it you are also always on the side of evil, fascism, draconian dictators, and against Democracy. It’s consistent Bobby.
You listen to the stupidest random ignorami with nothing to lose and everything to gain from lying to you…and you love it, you are never one bit upset that every word is dishonest propaganda. You just go looking for the next lie.

Still waiting little baby. I’ll bring up your cowardly infantilism every time you try to spout more nonsensical lies, waiting for you to grow up and admit you just lie constantly because truth is for liberals. 😂

Side note-Please oh please, Don, keep Habba as your lead council in your criminal trials. She is so unqualified, incompetent, inexperienced, and abrasive that she guarantees not only conviction but the higher end of sentencing guidelines. Day 2 of his second EG Carrol rape case was another utter disaster. There may be no choice, 3 of his lawyers quit last week…Tacopino, and his subordinates Seagal, and Diorio. He no longer has a real criminal legal team, and the team that has spent a year preparing for his criminal trials that start in under 2 months just quit him. 😂 that’s gotta hurt. Habba’s going to get him the firing squad!
Lost another appeal today because they forgot to claim executive privilege over Trumps Twitter records until it was too late.

2nd Bonus- THEY FOUND THE STOLEN VOTES FROM 2020!

https://apnews.com/article/virginia-election-errors-biden-trump-6555f052332d06c83ef797852f81fa72

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/northern-virginia-county-reports-4000-vote-tallying-error-2020-presidential-race

4000 VOTES IN VIRGINIA SWITCHED TO COUNT FOR THE “OTHER GUY”.

OOOPS…Those were 4000 votes for Biden that were incorrectly counted for Trump just discovered. More MAGA “cheating” (intentional or not, 4000 more votes that were counted for Trump but belonged to Biden).

Still waiting. 😂 😂 😂

I expect it to be a long wait for you to grow up enough to have the spine to admit you are, again, 100% wrong, as usual.
You have a long way to go and you aren’t making any headway.

Oh fuck…day 1 of the Trump Rape trial was a shit show for Habba. She’s going to end up in prison too. The judge is already so done with her disrespect, lack of courtroom decorum, lack of legal knowledge, attempts to re-litigate issues he already ruled on, calling the judge “sir” not “your honor”, interupting, filing inappropriate motions, making motions through email, slandering and libeling the judge publicly, etc. She is SO not ready for federal court, and she’s now LEAD COUNCIL after Tacapino quit Trump last weekend.
Trump is going to be convicted on every count, and lose every civil trial worse than anyone can imagine not just because he’s guilty but also because he has no defense team, he has unintelligent cheerleaders. He would be better off with a public defender, but they won’t sleep with him. His lecherous tendencies, needing to be surrounded by attractive women at all times to feel secure, are ending him in spectacular fashion….and I am so here for it with popcorn and a big gulp!

So far, Habba has been reamed by the judge and Trump had “Tothed” hundreds of posts attacking his victim while the jury is being picked…a jury that has total anonymity to protect them from exactly the same treatment if Trump finds out who they are. The jury is going to see those when determining how much to award his rape victim, his guilt is legally pre-determined from his last trial, and it will be in their minds that they might suffer the same thing themselves so expect an astoundingly huge award, enough to ensure he never does it again because they might very well be the target next time. 😂
He is so fucked.

Bonus- Oh snap…like I said, in opening statements the prosecutor showed them the 22 times Trump attacked Carrol this morning while in the room with them, asked to think about that when determining how much money it will take to convince Trump to stop. That’s going to be one big number with a lot of zeros….7…8…could we see 9 zeros? 😂
And make no mistake, she gets ANOTHER bite of his pie because he has not stopped defaming her even as the trial progresses, and that slander and libel isn’t covered in this or the other rape trials. He’s really regretting opening his halitosis filled mouth, but still can’t stop doing it. 😂

And Trump lost again in NY Supreme Court trying to remove his gag order so he can attack court workers and threaten their safety. Denied.

Trump argued in court that a president could order seal team 6 to murder his political rival and would be 100% immune from prosecution (unless he was first impeached) because ordering seal team 6 is an official action of the president which Trump’s team is arguing makes him immune until impeached, and that a president cannot be impeached after leaving office, meaning if you commit the treason or murder (or any crime at all) so near the end of your term you can’t be impeached before leaving office you get off Scott free…even if you leave early to escape prosecution.

Hate to tell you, they’re 100% wrong and they are going to lose…one of the judges asked the question about assassinations using seal team 6. Trump’s lawyer fucked the infantile answer so badly it’s now being forced to carry his stillborn progeny to term.

Note, if they say he’s not guilty of the 91 counts not because he didn’t do them but because absolute presidential immunity is a thing, Biden can have him assassinated tomorrow as an official act and as long as it stays classified until January, no crime no foul! Trump will have just made presidential assassinations 100% legal. Thanks Trump! 😂

Trump also argued he could pardon himself, so Biden could do that too….if Trump “wins” in court.

What’s hilarious is they clearly haven’t thought it through at all….if his argument wins AND he wins the presidency (and isn’t assassinated on Jan 6), his entire term will be impeachment hearings over the 91 felony charges he’s facing because he will be president again and double jeopardy doesn’t apply because he was never in jeopardy before since these cases get thrown out without prejudice. Winning in court and winning the ballot is a HUGE LOSS for Trump…unless he immediately quits and his vp pardons him.

As a bonus, Trump’s team presented “new evidence” (not allowed) in his appeal that was an anonymous undated fake “election fraud report” actually drafted by his own team member, Liz Harrington, not election fraud experts, and it’s chock full of arguments that have already failed in court…that and his own tweets.

I’m curious….what fake news outlet lied to you and told you Trump isn’t on the list of people mentioned in depositions about Epstein’s child prostitution activities? He absolutely is. He has put out an official statement about being named in them repeatedly, so it’s hard to understand how you could believe he isn’t.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-documents-1857653
Are you even willing to admit where you got your completely erroneous information? Was it Don Jr?

I’m also curious what you think “B” means and why anyone is apoplectic, a word I know for certain you cut and pasted without knowing what it meant. I’m pretty sure there was an entire word/name you meant to put there but screwed up even a cut and paste job. 🤦‍♂️

I’ll hazard a guess you meant “Bill Clinton”…who we knew would be on the list because he accepted use of Epstein’s plane a few times, but never to go to Child Rape Island (unlike Trump who absolutely went there a minimum of 7 times). We also KNEW Dershowitz, Trump, and Prince Andrew would be on that same list of people mentioned in depositions from Epstein’s 2005 child prostitution case. It’s not just being listed that counts, it’s what they’re listed as doing, Dershowitz for instance is listed as accused of having sex with the same 14 year old girl on multiple occasions in multiple states and visiting Child Rape Island on multiple occasions without his family and getting naked “massages” from 14 year old girls…not at all what he has said he’s on the list for on TV.

And once more to remind you since your memory is non existent….Trump didn’t ban Epstein from his properties until years after he was arrested for child prostitution (he was arrested in 2005 and plead guilty), running a child prostitution ring that serviced the super rich like Trump the entire time he had been best friends and constant party partner with Donald John Trump, who definitely WAS a client (there’s no “client list” released yet, but there are travel records from the Lolita Express that Trump travelled on and Donald the rapist is documented going to child rape island 7 times in 4 years with the plane records ending in 98, but not his trips to rape children, those continued until at least 2006, seemingly actually 2008).
He only banned Epstein from Maralago in mid 2008 3 FULL FUCKING YEARS after his arrest for child rapes and well after his guilty plea (negotiated by named co-conspirator Dershowitz in a true sweetheart deal that was determined to be a flagrant violation of the multiple victims rights) and after guests and employees threatened to sue Trump for allowing him to hunt children for rape on the property. Look it up. (I know you won’t, so https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/04/trump-banned-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-for-hitting-on-girl.html )

Such a silly little tool, always spouting nonsensical lies as fast as they’re lied, never looking at the evidence yourself, always taking the word of a guy who makes a good living selling you lies. It’s astonishing you keep it up despite being proven to be an ignorant idiot duped into repeating stupid lies every single time.

Sucker.

Clarice Schillinger who ran for lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania on an anti-woke parental rights platform was arrested a second time for holding underage drinking parties at her home, this time she also repeatedly punched some of the 20+ young (15-18) year olds in the face when they tried to leave.

Her slogan- “our kids are counting on us.”…apparently to get them alcohol and beat them up….BECAUSE WON’T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?

More typical MAGA.

What about those of us that 100% avoid all social media sites (unless you count the sift) and most social activities but are still seeing the nation as us and them, rational humans and irrational cultists?

We are NOT all on the same team…we aren’t even all on a team. Some are totally about personal enrichment no matter who it harms. Some are totally anti humanity.

Another case of PROVEN brazen and systematic voter fraud on the part of a self-proclaimed Christian Republican. This time, Kim Taylor, the wife of elected Republican Jeremy Taylor, was just FOUND GUILTY on 52 separate counts related to a scheme to stuff ballot boxes in her husband's race for Congress.
She collected ballots from Vietnamese people who didn’t speak English, filled them out for her husband herself no matter who they wanted to vote for, and stuffed them in ballot boxes. She also illegally filled out voter registration for their children with her address and outright stole their ballots and voted using them, which ended up keeping those children from getting to vote when they tried!
He still came in third.


Not alleged cheating, She’s been CONVICTED of 52 counts, her husband is a non indicted co conspirator. She harvested ballots from non English speaking Vietnamese people (she’s Vietnamese) and filled them out for her husband no matter who they wanted, and she stole voter registration cards for their children, filled them out with her address, stole their ballots and voted for her husband (and other Republicans), and she then submitted all these fraudulent ballots, which ended up keeping the children from voting when they tried in person.

Despite the 2020 cheating scandal AND still losing that election, he was later elected as a county Supervisor in Iowa…because the right doesn’t care about election integrity or the law one whit.

Republicans can’t win even when they blatantly cheat.

I’m disappointed you haven’t trotted out the still shot of the “fedsurectionist” holding his “badge” that suddenly proves that Jan 6 was a false flag operation by the fbi. It’s what your entire party is spewing these days.

Too bad it’s another total fabrication, easily debunked in seconds seeing as the person they claim is showing a badge is in fact convicted MAGA insurrectionist and self described idiot Kevin Lyons holding his vape, not an fbi agent with a badge. He got 4 years.

This is the newest dishonest insanity your entire party is grasping at, including all far right media, every MAGgot congressman, and all you rubes they got to believe it. SUCKERS! Your leaders think so too, they’re counting on it.

Don’t you think it’s odd that you accept being lied to as long as you enjoy the lie, and get enraged when facts and reality that don’t fit those lies, but enraged at the people telling you the facts and pointing out reality not at the liars?

Convicted on both federal counts. Facing 50 years, then state charges with another 50 year max.
Kidnapping or attempted kidnapping a federal officer to obstruct official duties and grievous injury and/or attack on spouse or family member of an elected official to obstruct their official duties.

Linked to MAGA by every word he’s ever said, every crazed far right MAGA conspiracy theory he screams is one that came directly from Don the Con’s mouth, including “Clinton and Pelosi spied on Trump”, his MAGA Qanon political leanings are public knowledge today….now proven in court.

Another MAGgot terrorist, now convicted. More convicted daily it seems, with the ringleader on the ropes with over 90 felony charges and untold numbers of civil cases against him and more investigations starting every week, this week Nevada started investigating his fake elector scheme in their state. 😂

He’s admitted he went there to kidnap Nancy and force her to make a public statement admitting that she and Hillary were the head of a Democratic crime syndicate that had been intentionally destroying America for their personal gain, and would kill her if she didn’t. Video of him breaking in has now been made public, including breaking the glass you said proved he didn’t break in. Even video of him beating Nancy’s husband has been released.
Every nonsensical insulting denial/lie you came up with has been completely debunked. You made yourself a liar and a completely gullible idiot believing the stupidest most blatant lies….again….and it’s been proven in court….again.
I would bet my life on the fact that you are still 100% incapable of admitting you got even a single detail insultingly wrong, much less admit the intentional insanity of the entirety of your claims, but that’s reality. You might visit some day.

It’s hilarious you outed the entire MEGA movement as fecalphiliacs.

Because you insanely still insist the MAGA attack against democracy on Jan 6 was unarmed…
Guy Reffitt was found guilty of charges related to the Jan. 6 Capitol attack, Self proclaimed “fucking idiot” who smashed his way into the capitol and attacked police with a gun and zip ties, one of many well armed MAGgots who absolutely planned to disrupt official procedures using violence because Trump told him to, convicted of 5 counts, sentenced to 7 years in prison…a gift.

This is the moron who threatened to kill his children if they talked about him attacking the capitol, his son turned him in.

All convicted of Jan 6 should be shot in the head and left in Death Valley to die slowly, especially the ring leader. Treason has one sentence, and violently attacking the government to try to take control by force is a definition of treason.

Don’t be surprised when being a MAGgot becomes such a badge of dishonor MAGgots start offing themselves because their friends hate them, their families hate them, they can’t get a job because no one hires traitors, they can’t get assistance because their party voted it out of existence, they can’t even get solace from religion because Jesus was a total liberal.
I’ll buy the bullets. 😂

“ It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.”
No…it is at odds with your position and is not what I said.
It is factual history that fighting age European Jews came armed and forcibly displaced the natives after being offered sanctuary for their most needy. It is not factual that I claimed it was ever thus. That is clearly not what I said, I said for 10+- years they were getting along as refugees, then started coming in HUGE numbers illegally and taking over.

Those are facts.

I also mentioned a native Jewish population that were not refugees or invaders. Some of them supported the invading Zionists, some didn’t. I’ve never heard of one who opposed them.

“ You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.”

Not even close to true, I said many stood behind the Zionists when they started coming en masse, and didn’t say but seemingly few to none of the native Jews opposed them. I also was clear that at the beginning the refugees acted like refugees, not invaders….I mistakenly gave them more time being grateful than you say they were, according to you Palestinians position is they began the invasion in the 20’s….and theirs is the opinion I care about. I never claimed ALL Arabs were welcoming, but the “nation” as a whole (despite being not self ruling at the time) welcomed a huge number of refugees considering their own population. Way more than elsewhere.

Edit: Britain, who facilitated this invasion, only took in 80000 European Jews in the decade before and during the war, and they were only given transit visas to stay temporarily until they found other accommodations. All of England took in fewer Jewish refugees in all pre war history than Palestine did….England took in 80000, most on temporary visas, Palestine took in 60000 permanently in 1935 alone, and 130000 in 33-36.
Pre-immigration Palestine had about 700000 people. In 1944 European Jews ignored the 1500 visa limit per year and came by the hundred of thousands per year after already completely overwhelming the native population.
Palestine was forcibly invaded by a foreign population exponentially bigger than the native population while Britain kept them too weak to oppose it physically.
That’s an invasion…not on day 1. 🤦‍♂️

“ without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey ”

Again, I said day 3, not day 1, and went on to say that meant 10 years later. Get off your high horse and READ buddy.

I guess I’ll stop here. If you aren’t going to read what I wrote and insist on arguing red herrings you made up yourself, you can do that alone.

Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the fact that masses of armed violent invaders came to take the land from the natives by force and were successful. The exact date this happened is not only y highly subjective, it’s completely besides the point.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the inhuman treatment they’ve subjected the innocent native civilian population to for 70 years…but you’ve tried.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the intentional targeting of trapped civilians by the military….serious war crimes Israel commits daily.
Nothing you’ve said even hints that you consider Palestinians worthy of consideration themselves, possibly not even human status, definitely not peaceful existence.

Bye

“ my solution would be every able bodied Jewish man and woman join the French (or Polish, Russian, British) army and fucking fight…”

I agree that’s the noble thing to do, but I can’t condemn the ones that choose to seek safety in numbers with Jewish Palestinians as exclusively invasion minded aggressors. My 6 million tag was maybe a bit sharp, but you also know that the Nazi’s took Paris and as much as it sucked to be French or European under Nazi occupation, you also know adding Jewish to that carried a lot of extra consequence and danger to your family.

My POV is agnostic of everything save Isreali people today having a right exist as a nation. Which at this point from my POV leaves 1947 as somewhat academic.

It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.

You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.

I will state again, that is ahistorical propaganda and NOT what actually happened. And for my POV, its enough generations back as to be Academic, but for your POV it is fundamental because without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey because lots of parties all contribute to the bloodshed, and many with reasonable motivations from both sides yet too.

Please find me any reputable sources to refute the reality of 1920-1940s Palestine:
-Mass Jewish immigration fleeing European oppression raised tensions between Jewish and Arab Palestinians.(as one must expect)
-Arab palestinians were already chaffing and resisting British colonial rule(as one must expect)
-These tensions led conflict, initially more ‘civil’ with the Arab majority trying to refuse all business, sales and trade with all Jews.
-Escalation followed throughout that time, but in drips and drops and NOT a ‘surprise the Zionist army has arrived’! style of aggression

The violent escalation was a fight here, a beating there. Little individual fights, escalating into deaths. Retaliations slowly grew, with each side exchanging small escalations.

-the culmination of this was eventually all out civil war, and the Jewish side immediately accepting a UN mandated 2 state solution

-this culmination coinciding with the end of WW2 and revelations of the true extent of the holocaust can’t be ignored, it certainly shaped the Jewish mindset in the conflict.

-Their mindset was pretty clearly not inaccurate either, as the immediate response of all neighbouring Arab nations was a declaration of war on the new ‘state’, with bold claims of how quickly the Jews would be swept into the sea. The confidence was so high, a call was sent it for ALL Arab palestinians to abandon and flee the entire region of Palestine to better enable the complete cleansing of the land.

The above is all pretty much inarguably factual, and I’d bargain you could get an Arabic and Israeli scholar together to more or less agree on those facts which is saying alot.

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Propaganda from both sides would like to declare that the Arabs harboured deep Nazi sympathies, and thus Israel was pure and true in all it did. Or from the other side, more or less your narrative of Zionist bad guys launching invasion from day 1(ish).

Both though are just sprinklings of half truths, with anti-British resentment naturally breeding some leanings towards the axis, and even genuine Nazi cleanse the Jews believers. And absolutely Zionists featured prominently within the Jewish population. Neither of those partial truths though make the propaganda of either side true, but instead just an incomplete and intentionally biased picture.


Again, please find me sources demonstrating I’m terribly wrong on all that, but the only ones I can find are clearly biased and the accurate accounts paint the picture above, the propaganda very, very clearly copies the real story more or less with just deletions of inconvenient bits

I count it as a hyper generous humanitarian gift given by Palestinians on day 1 that by day 3 (year 10+-) had become an invasion of hostile violent foreigners.

Because I don’t have a perfect solution for a problem no one could solve at the time does not in any way shape or form excuse the hostile invasion or fascist racist genocidal regimes since…
…but my solution would be every able bodied Jewish man and woman join the French (or Polish, Russian, British) army and fucking fight, not run off and invade elsewhere. If they had the fighters to take Israel, they had the fighters to turn the war years earlier, but went for invasion and occupation instead.

So, you DO think the people of Haiti have the right to come to your doorstep and toss you in the street. I disagree. I reiterate, not being safe at home is no excuse to go elsewhere and make it’s inhabitants unsafe, especially if those inhabitants had nothing to do with you being unsafe, more so if they actually stuck their neck out to make some of your family safe.

I’ll try to unscramble that…”what would I have the existing Jewish Palestinian population and new refugees do with themselves once in Palestine?”…the native Jews, nothing. They’re citizens. The refugees, refugee camps of a certain size and no over crowding. Once they’re full, go elsewhere. There were other places to go, although limited. The British had an obligation to support the Palestinians and prepare them to run the country, an obligation they completely shirked and instead facilitated the invasion of hostile foreigners while keeping the Palestinians defenseless.

Fuck you 6 million. They weren’t waiting for legal avenues for immigration. Those people for the most part had no option to be refugees or decide a thing, the Germans and Polish essentially woke up one day unable to travel. The people we are talking about had over a decade, and included Germans.

No, my POV relies on the theory that you having a bad time doesn’t give you a license to murder me and steal my stuff and subjugate my descendants horrifically.
Historically many groups have had tough scary times, many ending in actual genocide. Few took that as an opportunity to do the same to another group that was trying to help them out of the tough spot. Zionists did….and with Americans help. I’ll never stop pointing it out.
The Palestinians in Gaza are suffering a genocide today. Do they have a right to go invade some weaker nation for their safety? No. That’s not reasonable or acceptable.

I think your POV relies on the theory that, because Jews were being increasingly persecuted in Europe that gives them the right to take a friendly nation by force and subjugate and persecute its people forever…

Maybe let’s try a different tack to common ground.

It feels like the fundamental difference is on the reasonableness of the actions of the Jewish population in the 40s. I count it within reason enough to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as a nation, while you count it a foreign invader from day 0(or maybe day 5 or 6).

What would you have had the Jewish European people in the 30s/40s do?

I’d like to rule out ‘wait patiently for legal avenues of immigration’ on account of at least 6million doing that, but…

It depends on the first answer, but if your answer includes the option of seeking refuge amongst the Jewish population in Palestine, then the followup:
What you have had the existing Jewish Palestinian population and new refugees do with themselves once in Palestine?

I kinda feel your POV requires the belief that, again humbly waiting for fair treatment was gonna work out well for them…