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I never got into Frasier. Frasier Crane was my favorite character on Cheers and the Frasier on Frasier was not the Frasier on Cheers

I've seen every episode of both shows, and the character is pretty much the same across the board. You described the Cheers Frasier as "professional, collected, pompous, arrogant at times". That's pretty much the same character in Frasier. There were some minor shifts along the way, but that happens when the character changes settings and a new cast is introduced. Frasier was still very much a 'class show' except instead of dealing with ex-sports jocks like Sam Malone and barflys like Norm and Cliff, he was dealing with his father, Roz, Bulldog, etc. But his behavior was very similar in both shows. To this day, still one of my favorite programs. When it was on its game (seasons 1-7) it was A+ material, and even in its decline it still was routinely better than most of the stuff on TV today.

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I never got into Frasier. Frasier Crane was my favorite character on Cheers and the Frasier on Frasier was not the Frasier on Cheers.

As a fan of both Cheers and Frasier, I'm going to need you to elaborate on that one.

Sure. Cheers was very much a comedy of the classes; Frasier and Lilith typifying the upper class, white collar intellectuals. With Fraiser (the show), they got rid of the class element and focused more on the family dynamic between him, his brother, the father and the other characters. On Cheers, Fraiser was more akin to Il Dottore; professional, collected, pompous, arrogant at times...only Lilith was able to put him in his place. On Fraiser, because he was now the central character, he played foil to the rest of the supporting cast. While Grammar is still playing the same character, it's not the same Frasier (to me at least).


I'd say that Martin and Roz, to a lesser extent, were the foils to Frasier and Niles. Was Frasier the exact same character he was on Cheers? No, he evolved, which is fairly typical of most sitcoms -- just look at Homer Simpsons in the early seasons of The Simpsons, or Michael Scott in The Office. I'm not sure if you gave Frasier more than a few episodes, but I really think you should give it a chance -- it's (IMO) one of the rare spin-offs that's just as good as the show that spawned it (save for the last couple of seasons).

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