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Some full opening ceremonies on OBS official channel... (Art Talk Post)

Mordhaus (Member Profile)

The (small) *win contest! (Ftw Talk Post)

Li Duan - Triple Jump

David Wetherill - Table Tennis Dive at the Paralympics

David Wetherill - Table Tennis Dive at the Paralympics

OLYMPIC SPORT EXPLANATION

bareboards2 says...

What is really cool about this is that sighted folks can play, too. It doesn't have to be a paralympics sport only. Those googles indeed make it a level playing field.

Reminds me of "blind" tennis, too. Noisy ball!

OLYMPIC SPORT EXPLANATION

OLYMPIC SPORT EXPLANATION

OLYMPIC SPORT EXPLANATION

Jimmy Carr - Cricket and the Paralympics

Petition to Apply Affirmative Action to the Basketball Team

dgandhi says...

>> ^xxovercastxx:

This is my biggest problem with AA... it ultimately does nothing to solve the problems it's supposed to address. @Morganth alluded to it in his post. Rather than handicapping white people, we should be addressing the problems that lead to race inequality. AA is like breaking the legs of Olympic athletes so the folks in the Paralympics can keep up.

Except, that's not what it does. AA does not stop the best and the brightest, it simply corrects for preexisting bias that effects the criteria on which the decision is made. What you are describing looks a lot more like unchecked white privilege than it does AA as it exists in the real world.

Allowing people to pursue a career at what they are good at does address the problem. The problem is both material, in the sense of disproportional class disadvantage, as well as societal, in the form of the assumption that "those people aren't good at X". AA lets people work themselves out of poverty, and creates social role models of skilled and successful non-white/male people.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

It runs a few levels deep, too. Putting less qualified people in jobs means the jobs will be done to a lower standard. That ultimately hurts our general standard of living as well as our ability to compete globally.

AA does the exact opposite of this. Consider what unchecked privileged looks like in comparison to meritocracy. The clearest example is blind auditions. Non-blinded auditions disproportional favor men, who everyone "knew" were more likely to be better qualified. Once you remove the knowledge of the sex of the player, the assessment of merit massively changes.

You can't blind college admissions, for example, because they are based on a life history in a classist and racist society. Collage is probably the simplest, though not the best, place to make this adjustment, but making it is better than not.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

If you were diagnosed with a particularly dangerous form of cancer tomorrow, would you seek out the best specialist you could find or would you seek out the best minority specialist you could find?


When white men get positions, this is in no small measure a result of there white/maleness. Knowing this, given the choice of two equally regarded doctors, I would choose the one whose regard is based on their merit, not on their privileged race/sex.

Petition to Apply Affirmative Action to the Basketball Team

xxovercastxx says...

@dgandhi

Does anybody here seriously contend that there is not culturally pervasive affirmative action for white people?
Does anybody here seriously contend that handicapping white people is a solution? That's a rhetorical question; I already know a bunch of you do.

This is my biggest problem with AA... it ultimately does nothing to solve the problems it's supposed to address. @Morganth alluded to it in his post. Rather than handicapping white people, we should be addressing the problems that lead to race inequality. AA is like breaking the legs of Olympic athletes so the folks in the Paralympics can keep up.

It runs a few levels deep, too. Putting less qualified people in jobs means the jobs will be done to a lower standard. That ultimately hurts our general standard of living as well as our ability to compete globally.

The fact that these college students have not thought about this in depth is an indication that people don't think about things in depth
One of the things I really like about this question (the one in the video) is that it does get people thinking about AA. They may think about it and ultimately decide they were already on the right side, but at least they thought about it. It's a great question, I think.

If you were diagnosed with a particularly dangerous form of cancer tomorrow, would you seek out the best specialist you could find or would you seek out the best minority specialist you could find?

Jimmy Carr on Jonathan Ross 6th of Nov. 2009

cybrbeast says...

Nice interview. Though I still can't understand why he is so apologetic about his joke:
"Say what you like about servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're going to have a f***ing good paralympic team in 2012."

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This article says he isn't so apologetic though.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/nov/05/jimmy-carr-paralympics-joke
He does not repeat the joke in Margate tonight, though some in the audience are goading him to do so. He makes do with noting the fact that no one watches the Paralympics anyway, and a few throwaway jokes about people without arms. Why not do the controversial joke? "I thought I'd leave it," he says. "Otherwise it looks like you haven't taken it [the furore] seriously. I didn't write the joke and think, 'That's an unacceptable joke, that's an unacceptable thing to say, but will I get away with it?' I thought it was a totally acceptable joke and a point to make, but now it's become something else. The other reason not to tell it now is that people have heard it."

Swimmer has no arms and sets world record

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