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>> ^ghark:

there is some interesting and scary stuff on the website this links to:
e.g. raids on farmers for selling raw milk:
http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-s
urviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club/P1
America: You can do what you want here, but if you sell raw milk we will raid your property and hold your family at gun point while we look around.


Thanks for the link.

I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but I really have to wonder sometimes what the hell is going on.

I used to work on a dairy farm, which is a polite way of saying a place where five thousand Holstein cows are crammed together in a five-acre lot, wallowing in their own shit day and night. They're pumped full of hormones (for production) and antibiotics (because they lay around in shit all day).

The "Got Milk?" people are...a pretty big thing. Lots of pull on the state and federal level.

And they don't like competition.

(side note: of course, nine out of ten dairy farmers are staunch Republicans, and yet, ten out of ten of those farmers receive hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in government subsidies thanks to the "Got Milk?" lobby)

there is some interesting and scary stuff on the website this links to:

e.g. raids on farmers for selling raw milk:
http://www.grist.org/article/food-five-tips-for-surviving-a-raid-on-your-farm-or-food-club/P1

America: You can do what you want here, but if you sell raw milk we will raid your property and hold your family at gun point while we look around.

For anyone interested, I think I found the origin of the song. Turns out it's some guy farting with his hands, on his couch.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/bohemian-rhapsody-hands-p1.php

>> ^xxovercastxx:
Wow, so much solid logic only to throw it all out the window at the end.
P1 is a universal negative, but at least he spends a lot of time arguing for its likelihood.
P2 is flawed as it's based on P1, but otherwise would be fine.
P3 actually contradicts what he spends nearly the whole video arguing, that nothing ever actually begins or ceases to exist. Oops.
P4 is solid so long as you accept the flawed logic it's based upon.
P5 is fine.
At some point here he denies the antecedent, a logical fallacy. Accepting his arguments, he has successfully argued that God did not create the universe, but it does not logically follow that God does not exist as a result. He would have to put forth an argument that shows God can not exist without having been the creator of the universe. At best he simply fills one of God's gaps.


He has a follow-up video that addresses this. The premises are not a reflection of....well just watch the video he can explain himself better than I can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeZ_BAWAhQ

Wow, so much solid logic only to throw it all out the window at the end.

P1 is a universal negative, but at least he spends a lot of time arguing for its likelihood.
P2 is flawed as it's based on P1, but otherwise would be fine.
P3 actually contradicts what he spends nearly the whole video arguing, that nothing ever actually begins or ceases to exist. Oops.
P4 is solid so long as you accept the flawed logic it's based upon.
P5 is fine.

At some point here he denies the antecedent, a logical fallacy. Accepting his arguments, he has successfully argued that God did not create the universe, but it does not logically follow that God does not exist as a result. He would have to put forth an argument that shows God can not exist without having been the creator of the universe. At best he simply fills one of God's gaps.