Xenu calls you the unbeliever. Prepare to be frozen in carbonite, Mr. Solo.

>> ^Entropy997:
Lol, there's no such thing as "frozen alcohol": alcohol cannot be frozen.

I won't comment on other religions. I'm a Christian and people here are generally anti-everything when it comes to religion, but Scientology is NOT a religion. You can call it a philosophy or a cult, but not a religion.

"You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion."
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."
"Scientology ... is not a religion. "
"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly."
--L. Ron Hubbard.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Scientology

No I think all these are creations and manifestations of man, I could claim to receive Gods word now, the only thing stopping you or anyone else taking me serious is how far you are willing to believe this applies to Scientology, Mormonism, Islam, Christianity and all other religons.

At the end of the day all religions are creations of man, not the creation of God. Thus they are wrong. I too am being 100%.

There is no way anyone can convince anyone else that the Bible or any scripture is made by God.

In reply to this comment by deedub81:
So, you agree with me that the only similarities have to do with flak from others.

Is that so much more different than the accounts of Moses claiming to part the Red Sea, or Noah building an arc? Why is it okay for some to claim to have received the word of God 2000 years ago, and not okay for them to say they received the word of God yesterday?

I'm being 100% serious.

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
L. Ron Hubbard makes shit up about Xenu, DC-10s, thetans and all that good stuff.

Joseph Smith makes shit up about getting golden plates from an Angel. Oh and Jesus visited America, multiple gods and worlds. Oh by the way they also have modern prophets whose official statements become official canon.

I was relating them as two relatively modern belief systems with questionable origins. Not directly.

In reply to this comment by deedub81:
What's questionable about Mormonism as it relates to Scientology? I fail to see any similarities, other than the amount of scrutiny the two receive.

Scientology has a known history of abuse, illegal activity, and motives for world domination, for lack of a better term.

Where are the parallels?

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
You sound like a nice person whose trying to defend a religion that has questionable origins and backgrounds.

It's like Scientology. Also based on questionable facts, but am sure there are some nice folks who practice it.

I don't really understand what you mean by anti-Mormon propaganda, I would love if you could show me some sources.

So, you agree with me that the only similarities have to do with flak from others.

Is that so much more different than the accounts of Moses claiming to part the Red Sea, or Noah building an arc? Why is it okay for some to claim to have received the word of God 2000 years ago, and not okay for them to say they received the word of God yesterday?

I'm being 100% serious.

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
L. Ron Hubbard makes shit up about Xenu, DC-10s, thetans and all that good stuff.

Joseph Smith makes shit up about getting golden plates from an Angel. Oh and Jesus visited America, multiple gods and worlds. Oh by the way they also have modern prophets whose official statements become official canon.

I was relating them as two relatively modern belief systems with questionable origins. Not directly.

In reply to this comment by deedub81:
What's questionable about Mormonism as it relates to Scientology? I fail to see any similarities, other than the amount of scrutiny the two receive.

Scientology has a known history of abuse, illegal activity, and motives for world domination, for lack of a better term.

Where are the parallels?

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
You sound like a nice person whose trying to defend a religion that has questionable origins and backgrounds.

It's like Scientology. Also based on questionable facts, but am sure there are some nice folks who practice it.

I don't really understand what you mean by anti-Mormon propaganda, I would love if you could show me some sources.

L. Ron Hubbard makes shit up about Xenu, DC-10s, thetans and all that good stuff.

Joseph Smith makes shit up about getting golden plates from an Angel. Oh and Jesus visited America, multiple gods and worlds. Oh by the way they also have modern prophets whose official statements become official canon.

I was relating them as two relatively modern belief systems with questionable origins. Not directly.

In reply to this comment by deedub81:
What's questionable about Mormonism as it relates to Scientology? I fail to see any similarities, other than the amount of scrutiny the two receive.

Scientology has a known history of abuse, illegal activity, and motives for world domination, for lack of a better term.

Where are the parallels?

In reply to this comment by Farhad2000:
You sound like a nice person whose trying to defend a religion that has questionable origins and backgrounds.

It's like Scientology. Also based on questionable facts, but am sure there are some nice folks who practice it.

I don't really understand what you mean by anti-Mormon propaganda, I would love if you could show me some sources.

I looked up some info on "September Dawn" for you:

The film has received extraordinarily unfavorable reviews, and holds a 13% overall rating and a 0% Cream of the Crop rating at the aggregate site Rotten Tomatoes as of February 6, 2008. It received a rare "zero stars" review from film critic Roger Ebert, and the New York Post gave the movie an unusual 0/4.

The film has been described by various critics (most or all of whom are not LDS) as "the year's first honest-to-goodness exploitation flick," as "carrying an anti-Mormon agenda," as "some sort of attack piece on the Mormon religion," as "little more than wild-eyed anti-Mormon propaganda," as "a stridently anti-Mormon and cliché-heavy melodrama," as "unbelievably ugly and an insult to Mormons," as a "Swift Boating of Mormonism that advocates the religious intolerance it’s supposedly condemning," as "clearly anti-Mormon," as an "anti-Mormon broadside" that is "certain to fan the flames of hatred toward America's largest homegrown religion and continue the persecution that terrified the original Mormons."

The movie has "the chilling certitude of the self-righteous" that goes beyond "mockery" and is "practically a call to jihad [against Mormons]." It "equates the institution of the Mormon church with Islamic extremism at every opportunity," it is "propaganda pure and simple," is "filmmaking at its worst...full of propaganda," and it "goes way beyond history into the realm of speculation, rumor, myth and gossip." Critics further state that the movie "feel[s] like blatant propaganda," and that there is an "unmistakable air of evil about this enterprise, and not just an atrocity the Mormon church caused to happen 150 years ago" and its negative portrayal of Mormons is "unsubtle (in the manner most closely associated with Dr. Goebbels)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dawn

Ummmm...soooo...I wouldn't exactly base my opinions about Mormons on that movie.

Furthermore, Mormons do not pay their clergy and so are FAR FAR FAR less likely to be corrupt than other religions. I don't really see how corruption plays a role at all.

Every Mormon I have ever come into contact with has been extremely kind, happy, and helpful. I think that the media and other ignorant people choose to focus on the most unusual elements of the religion, take them out of context, and call them crazy. It is incredibly bigoted, intolerant, ignorant, and unkind. I think it is EXTREMELY unfair to compare the LDS church with Scientology. Ridiculous, in fact. For goodness' sake, they're good people. They're just misunderstood.

In reply to this comment by marinara:
pinky, you're trying to be fair to the mormons.
I would rather not be fair.
but then i just watched September Dawn.

I would rather ask.... is Mormons more or less of a con game, than say, Scientology? I actually liked L. Ron Hubbard, can't say the same for Joe Smith.

Mormonism = the church of the latter day saints and the elders and the corrupt and etc.

pinky, you're trying to be fair to the mormons.
I would rather not be fair.
but then i just watched September Dawn.

I would rather ask.... is Mormons more or less of a con game, than say, Scientology? I actually liked L. Ron Hubbard, can't say the same for Joe Smith.

Mormonism = the church of the latter day saints and the elders and the corrupt and etc.

She has good points about the Bible essentially being BS, and that there are many different ways to live... lolz at the "one way" crap at the end of the vid.

But then again, she is still profiting off of the religious cult idea, just as L. Ron Hubbard did with Scientology (and its leaders continue to do so).

I wish people would stop being sheep and realise all this supernatural, divine, yada, yada is all just a well executed lie and utter bullshit.

Critical thinking peoples. Make that your doctrine.

This video is right out of the L. Ron Hubbard playbook. Miller (Tracey Walter) explains to Otto (Estevez) that Flying Saucers are Time Machines and that people disappear by travelling in UFOs into the past or some such nonsense.

At the beginning of the clip they burn a copy of "Dioretix: The Science of Matter over Mind by A. Rum Butter".

Heh.

*cult, *promote

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L Ron Hubbard said christianity and all other world religions except buddhism were basically implanted in humanity by an evil galactic conspiracy using some kind of "genetic memory". And his followers actually believed him, lol.

Yeah, I really don't get Beck being a Xenu stroker, although thetans would be as good an excuse as any as to why his last two albums sucked L Ron Hubbards microscopic clit.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
My favorite Scientologist musician. Glad to see your keeping with the Scientology zeitgeist that has swept the Sift these days. Should I add a "tcltc" tag?

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I already knew L.Ron Hubbard was quite the nut,

But right now, I'm going MAD because I CANT F¤#¤%%G READ THIS SHIT!!! Half the text is one shade away from being black on a black background!!! SO annoying.. The content is great but I cant upvote this. I used 20 minutes just trying to make complete sentences when the text was zooming out.

No one can justify their religion as being more valid than anyone else's claim to religion. There is absolutely no proof of the existence of any divine being, there never has been and there never will be. This does not mean that i am an atheist or a theist, it is simply a fact. It means that no one can argue whether their religion (or belief) is more valid than anyone else's. You may as well argue over who's favourite colour is best.

That's just for the people who say "This was made up by a lunatic in the 60s! It's nothing even close to <x religion>!". That's an argument based on the premise that the religion you've just stated was NOT made up by a lunatic from the 60's (60AD).

I'd just like any religious person throwing shit onto scientology to realise that this is what jesus and his disciples were facing. Yeah, really. I take the Christian example. I can submit that jesus existed, just as you can submit that L Ron Hubbard existed. I can submit that jesus claimed his father was a divine being just as you can submit that L Ron Hubbard thinks we're aliens possessing other aliens.

Both organisations have scriptures, fables, myths, and miracles. Both have people who swear on their life that what they have seen and experienced is real. Both have murky pasts, illegal or immoral involvement in actions to protect the safety of their believers' naivety. Both have sworn enemies.

In 2000 years time, the CHURCH of scientology may be telling stories of how, through diversity, they prevailed. And how L Ron Hubbard and his close family were jailed for their beliefs. Maybe they'll claim he was crucified by evil members of a false religion.

You think christianity was perfect and above disrepute when it first existed? You think people didn't take advantage of their position? You think there aren't STILL preachers that abuse children? Imagine if you'd been around when christianity first existed, and you'd "brought down" christianity. Think what the world would be missing right now!

I may've twisted a few facts (not by much though). See my point?

The more things change the more they stay the same.

(Yes i think scientology is terrible and evil and should be stopped. That's how religions start, folks!)