FWIW, 27 is around the beginning of Saturn's Return

10. Pete Ham
9. Chris Bell
8. Ron "Pigpen" McKernan
7. Amy Winehouse
6. Brian Jones
5. Janis Joplin
4. Robert Johnson
3. Jim Morrison
2. Kurt Cobain
1. Jimi Hendrix

Chris Farley, Elvis Presley, Tupac Shakur, The Beatles (they were all fucked up on various abuses, including physical), Michael Jackson, River Phoenix, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Heath Ledger, John Belushi, Amy Winehouse, Jim Morrison, Biggie Smalls, Gary Coleman...

I don't think Chris Farley is the prime example, but he's on the list.

But... that doesn't mean their works are any less for it. Getting famous for having talent brings reward, but it also blurs the lines and stunts maturity...

Most of these people didn't even make it to 30, or were so fucked up by the time they had hit this milestone, there was nothing they could do; they didn't have the necessary life lessons that guide us by constant evolution of being. Too many rewards and too much pressure with few threshold guardians to intercede. It's a gauntlet.

-"did you write it?"
-"No Kurt Cobain wrote it"
-"haaa... (I have no idea who that is)... here's the Charlie Hunter trio...."

The images speed by too damn quickly, I hate that shit. When will video noobs learn that one of the fundamental things to remember in video editing is that even though the editor has seen the footage/text/pictures dozens of times the audience has not. So the editor noob is overfamiliar with the content and is then mainly concerned with the sequencing, rather than the pacing. Drives me nuts.

Kurt Cobain died?

Hey even if we disagree, thanks for staying engaged to at least understand my point of view. +1 to that.

Happy sifting, and happy christmas - yes even as an atheist I will celebrate in my secular way

In reply to this comment by enoch:
that was an awesome response.
the kurt cobain reference clicked it for me.
i see what your saying and thank you so much for taking the time to clarify.

i focused on different facets of the video based on my own personal experience.so i was curious why/how someone would come to a different conclusion.because you took the time and were patient with me i now see how you view that video.

i am usually not that slow to pick up on things lol.
thank you my friend.

that was an awesome response.
the kurt cobain reference clicked it for me.
i see what your saying and thank you so much for taking the time to clarify.

i focused on different facets of the video based on my own personal experience.so i was curious why/how someone would come to a different conclusion.because you took the time and were patient with me i now see how you view that video.

i am usually not that slow to pick up on things lol.
thank you my friend.

Hey Enoch,
yeah we agree on some things but disagree on more.
To clarify, I'll take the central point as you have mentioned above:

"why would somebody find a video where a man admits,on VIDEO,how he almost killed himself due to his addictions and lost that which was most dear,and his consequent "recovery",be perceived as a bad thing?
and the only conclusion i could come up with was the "jesus" factor as being the bitter pill"

I don't understand why this is the "only conclusion" that you could come up with when I've already stated the contrary and given the central reason *twice*. I've also stated that I'm glad he kicked the habit by whatever means, including religious ones (no matter how misguided I feel these reasons to be) and that my criticism lies in the style and tone of the video production. To me it reminds me of a Maralyn Manson video that attempts to glorify the darkness in life and the attractiveness and worthiness of suffering. Allow me to try again.

The style and the tone of the video screams "listen to this worthy man for he is wise through the experiences he has gone through, and his words have more weight than yours".

To entirely take religion out of my point: I have the same problem with how public figures such as Kurt Cobain are deified after their suicide. That somehow through ending his life he gave his words more weight and his outlook more credos. That now he was a tortured glorious soul, that really knew the truth about life. So now rather than his death being a tragedy for himself, his child, and the mother of his child, it was re-contextualised into some form of glorious statement.

The same is true in the coverage of suicides in the media here in Europe. Always there is an air of romance in the notion of killing oneself due to some form of suffering. That's what I abhor, and that's what comes across in this video.

To re-state my very first comment:
"... I have a huge problem with the way he's portrayed in this video. It glamorizes the perceived value of having put his life in the toilet for years. Let's remember that this guy was an idiot who took drugs to the point of it ruining his life, and his daughters life - and still didn't quit after his wife died from the very drugs he was taking. These actions don't give him a ticket to sagedom. Among his tattoos he should have one that states - "I am capable of making the worst possible decisions and taking actions that could have led to my death, and made an orphan of my daughter"."

The religious aspect is an absolute sideshow.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'rehearsals, MTV, Kurt, Cobain, Dave, Grohl, Krist, Novoselic, acoustic' to 'rehearsals, MTV, Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, Krist Novoselic, Pat Smear, acoustic' - edited by SlipperyPete

This is awesome, but not what I expected. I thought it was going to be something that was born and then died - the fastest (the fastest living thang, like the kurt cobain's of the molecular world).

I wanted to be like a cross between Mad Max, Deckard, Kurt Cobain and Thurston Moore. But, now that I'm me and I have drank tons of alcohol and consumed many pounds of drugs I could be wrong about that, I think I might have forgotten.

@shuac: true, Kurt would agree with you:

from wiki:

In a January 1994 Rolling Stone interview, Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain revealed that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was an attempt to write a song in the style of the Pixies, a band he greatly admired. He explained:[4]
“ I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it. When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily that I should have been in that band— or at least a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard.

You have to wonder if Kurt Cobain might still be alive if he had not written this song.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

I don't think you understand what ADHD is. If this guy really couldn't stay focused on a topic, do you think he'd have gotten this far?
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I have ADHD. So yeah I do know actually. It doesn't necessarily mean you cannot focus on anything, Your focus is just more receptive to certain things, and can be associated with creative genius http://psychcentral.com/news/2010/02/25/adhd-may-be-associated-with-creative-genius/11713.html. Also fun fact Kurt Cobain was ADHD.

Oh yeah finally someone nailed Kurt Cobain on his cowardice.

I was skipping school....laying low at my parents house...hoping that they wouldn't come home for lunch and catch me....watching MTV.....when Kurt Loder broke the earth-shattering news that Kurt Cobains body had been found....it f*cked me up good and proper......