Disturbing yes. Snuff no! Because there is a valueable lesson attached.


The guy being gored by the elephant?

The guy being attacked and gored by the bull?

I don't think those people survived. Video sift has strict rules on what is and isn't snuff. This doesn't fit with those rules. You lot are obviously a lot more blood thirsty than I am, and see that as awesome, so be it. Good luck with that.

>> ^luxury_pie:

>> ^robbersdog49:
Nature can be awesome. Truly inspiring and incredible. The last sequence with the Buffalo calf being attacked by lions and then a crocodile and then being saved, that's awesome nature. Why the images of people being very badly injured/killed by animals? That's not nature. I don't believe that none of the victims died, this isn't a news story and I'm pretty sure that makes this snuff.
Nature can be horrendous as well as beautiful. I've watched lions in Kenya catch and kill a Zebra and it really was a horrible thing to see and hear. It took a long time to die. What you normally see on TV is the edited down version. Death is a part of nature, a part of life. The lioness had cubs and they would survive thanks to her killing ability. It wasn't just mindless violence.
I don't like to see snuff on the sift, but particularly when it's presented as being a demonstration of how awesome nature is. This is an unpleasant video and about as far from being awesome as it's possible to be. If a bullied animal gets it's own back on the person bullying it, nothing good has happened. The animals 'getting revenge' in this video will have been killed for what they did. Awesome would have been seeing these animals being rescued from their positions and looked after properly before things got that bad. This is just sad.

I have to disagree on "nothing good has happened".
IMHO if the abusers died for what they did to the animals, the world is a little bit better.
And to take the edge out of the snuff-judgement:
a) the bungee jumper was fake
b) the dude arm wrestling the crocodile, alive and had it coming
c) the fucktard participating in the toro-chase in spain? Educational I hope.
d) the poacher for torturing the cat? Educational too.
Disturbing yes. Snuff no! Because there is a valueable lesson attached.

While I agree this definitely is not snuff, and so do 13 others, including myself again, should we not take all valid-ish concerns and discuss them? That's just because I am very rules-centered. (I hate guidelines, but not rules, funny huh?) And hurricanes are not "newsworthy" because they happen everyday somewhere @robbersdog49 but it is educational and this particular video is both morality based and educational.

Respect nature, or else.

>> ^robbersdog49:

Nature can be awesome. Truly inspiring and incredible. The last sequence with the Buffalo calf being attacked by lions and then a crocodile and then being saved, that's awesome nature. Why the images of people being very badly injured/killed by animals? That's not nature. I don't believe that none of the victims died, this isn't a news story and I'm pretty sure that makes this snuff.
Nature can be horrendous as well as beautiful. I've watched lions in Kenya catch and kill a Zebra and it really was a horrible thing to see and hear. It took a long time to die. What you normally see on TV is the edited down version. Death is a part of nature, a part of life. The lioness had cubs and they would survive thanks to her killing ability. It wasn't just mindless violence.
I don't like to see snuff on the sift, but particularly when it's presented as being a demonstration of how awesome nature is. This is an unpleasant video and about as far from being awesome as it's possible to be. If a bullied animal gets it's own back on the person bullying it, nothing good has happened. The animals 'getting revenge' in this video will have been killed for what they did. Awesome would have been seeing these animals being rescued from their positions and looked after properly before things got that bad. This is just sad.


>> ^luxury_pie:

>> ^robbersdog49:
Nature can be awesome. Truly inspiring and incredible. The last sequence with the Buffalo calf being attacked by lions and then a crocodile and then being saved, that's awesome nature. Why the images of people being very badly injured/killed by animals? That's not nature. I don't believe that none of the victims died, this isn't a news story and I'm pretty sure that makes this snuff.
Nature can be horrendous as well as beautiful. I've watched lions in Kenya catch and kill a Zebra and it really was a horrible thing to see and hear. It took a long time to die. What you normally see on TV is the edited down version. Death is a part of nature, a part of life. The lioness had cubs and they would survive thanks to her killing ability. It wasn't just mindless violence.
I don't like to see snuff on the sift, but particularly when it's presented as being a demonstration of how awesome nature is. This is an unpleasant video and about as far from being awesome as it's possible to be. If a bullied animal gets it's own back on the person bullying it, nothing good has happened. The animals 'getting revenge' in this video will have been killed for what they did. Awesome would have been seeing these animals being rescued from their positions and looked after properly before things got that bad. This is just sad.

I have to disagree on "nothing good has happened".
IMHO if the abusers died for what they did to the animals, the world is a little bit better.
And to take the edge out of the snuff-judgement:
a) the bungee jumper was fake
b) the dude arm wrestling the crocodile, alive and had it coming
c) the fucktard participating in the toro-chase in spain? Educational I hope.
d) the poacher for torturing the cat? Educational too.
Disturbing yes. Snuff no! Because there is a valueable lesson attached.

>> ^robbersdog49:

Nature can be awesome. Truly inspiring and incredible. The last sequence with the Buffalo calf being attacked by lions and then a crocodile and then being saved, that's awesome nature. Why the images of people being very badly injured/killed by animals? That's not nature. I don't believe that none of the victims died, this isn't a news story and I'm pretty sure that makes this snuff.
Nature can be horrendous as well as beautiful. I've watched lions in Kenya catch and kill a Zebra and it really was a horrible thing to see and hear. It took a long time to die. What you normally see on TV is the edited down version. Death is a part of nature, a part of life. The lioness had cubs and they would survive thanks to her killing ability. It wasn't just mindless violence.
I don't like to see snuff on the sift, but particularly when it's presented as being a demonstration of how awesome nature is. This is an unpleasant video and about as far from being awesome as it's possible to be. If a bullied animal gets it's own back on the person bullying it, nothing good has happened. The animals 'getting revenge' in this video will have been killed for what they did. Awesome would have been seeing these animals being rescued from their positions and looked after properly before things got that bad. This is just sad.

I have to disagree on "nothing good has happened".
IMHO if the abusers died for what they did to the animals, the world is a little bit better.
And to take the edge out of the snuff-judgement:
a) the bungee jumper was fake
b) the dude arm wrestling the crocodile, alive and had it coming
c) the fucktard participating in the toro-chase in spain? Educational I hope.
d) the poacher for torturing the cat? Educational too.

Disturbing yes. Snuff no! Because there is a valueable lesson attached.

Nature can be awesome. Truly inspiring and incredible. The last sequence with the Buffalo calf being attacked by lions and then a crocodile and then being saved, that's awesome nature. Why the images of people being very badly injured/killed by animals? That's not nature. I don't believe that none of the victims died, this isn't a news story and I'm pretty sure that makes this snuff.

Nature can be horrendous as well as beautiful. I've watched lions in Kenya catch and kill a Zebra and it really was a horrible thing to see and hear. It took a long time to die. What you normally see on TV is the edited down version. Death is a part of nature, a part of life. The lioness had cubs and they would survive thanks to her killing ability. It wasn't just mindless violence.

I don't like to see snuff on the sift, but particularly when it's presented as being a demonstration of how awesome nature is. This is an unpleasant video and about as far from being awesome as it's possible to be. If a bullied animal gets it's own back on the person bullying it, nothing good has happened. The animals 'getting revenge' in this video will have been killed for what they did. Awesome would have been seeing these animals being rescued from their positions and looked after properly before things got that bad. This is just sad.

Blow me.

>> ^honkeytonk73:

Really, are direct vulgar personal attacks necessary? Surely you are more capable of a more intellectual and productive discussion on a topic of disagreement?
You should read the site's FAQ and abuse guidelines. You just violated the terms of use for the site.

>> ^budzos:

I'm an atheist.
The emotional part of my response, if any, is irritation at a lifetime of hearing other atheists try to argue against the existence of god by saying that bad things wouldn't happen if god was real. A lack of suffering is not a proposition of god's existence. So it's a terrible argument to say the presence of suffering is any indication of his lack of existence.
You fucking retard.
>> ^honkeytonk73:
>> ^budzos:
>> ^honkeytonk73:
More evidence to prove the existence of "Our Merciful Lord and Savior Jesus Christ(tm)". For a loving and merciful God(tm) would not allow such suffering to exist in His(tm) beautiful creation under his omnipotent/omniscient watch. Yeah. That's the ticket.

I'm an atheist and this has always seemed to me to be the DUMBEST possible argument against the existence of God. You must be completely ignorant of the story of the bible? It's full of bad things happening to good people.

But it is still a -fictional story- don't you agree? Your response indicates an emotional state that the people in the story were REAL and were actually impacted by the so-called 'bad things' (often incurred by the magical invisible being known as God) that purportedly occurred to them in said fictional tale. That indicates somewhat of a sympathetic stance towards characters and situations there were purely fictional.
Who is ignorant of reality my friend?



Really, are direct vulgar personal attacks necessary? Surely you are more capable of a more intellectual and productive discussion on a topic of disagreement?

You should read the site's FAQ and abuse guidelines. You just violated the terms of use for the site.

I'm an atheist.

The emotional part of my response, if any, is irritation at a lifetime of hearing other atheists try to argue against the existence of god by saying that bad things wouldn't happen if god was real. A lack of suffering is not a proposition of god's existence. So it's a terrible argument to say the presence of suffering is any indication of his lack of existence.

You fucking retard.

>> ^honkeytonk73:

>> ^budzos:
>> ^honkeytonk73:
More evidence to prove the existence of "Our Merciful Lord and Savior Jesus Christ(tm)". For a loving and merciful God(tm) would not allow such suffering to exist in His(tm) beautiful creation under his omnipotent/omniscient watch. Yeah. That's the ticket.

I'm an atheist and this has always seemed to me to be the DUMBEST possible argument against the existence of God. You must be completely ignorant of the story of the bible? It's full of bad things happening to good people.

But it is still a -fictional story- don't you agree? Your response indicates an emotional state that the people in the story were REAL and were actually impacted by the so-called 'bad things' (often incurred by the magical invisible being known as God) that purportedly occurred to them in said fictional tale. That indicates somewhat of a sympathetic stance towards characters and situations there were purely fictional.
Who is ignorant of reality my friend?

>> ^budzos:

>> ^honkeytonk73:
More evidence to prove the existence of "Our Merciful Lord and Savior Jesus Christ(tm)". For a loving and merciful God(tm) would not allow such suffering to exist in His(tm) beautiful creation under his omnipotent/omniscient watch. Yeah. That's the ticket.

I'm an atheist and this has always seemed to me to be the DUMBEST possible argument against the existence of God. You must be completely ignorant of the story of the bible? It's full of bad things happening to good people.


But it is still a -fictional story- don't you agree? Your response indicates an emotional state that the people in the story were REAL and were actually impacted by the so-called 'bad things' (often incurred by the magical invisible being known as God) that purportedly occurred to them in said fictional tale. That indicates somewhat of a sympathetic stance towards characters and situations there were purely fictional.

Who is ignorant of reality my friend?

>> ^honkeytonk73:

More evidence to prove the existence of "Our Merciful Lord and Savior Jesus Christ(tm)". For a loving and merciful God(tm) would not allow such suffering to exist in His(tm) beautiful creation under his omnipotent/omniscient watch. Yeah. That's the ticket.


I'm an atheist and this has always seemed to me to be the DUMBEST possible argument against the existence of God. You must be completely ignorant of the story of the bible? It's full of bad things happening to good people.

Has anyone seen this movie? This clip says his inspiration was to read the Bible, this trailer makes some letter the focus? I guess the actual movie might cover it all? Wikipedia isn't helping...>> ^Lithic:

Also see this sift for a news report and short interview with the real man: http://videosift.com/video/Oldest-Student-in-Kenya-in-Primary-School

Also see this sift for a news report and short interview with the real man: http://videosift.com/video/Oldest-Student-in-Kenya-in-Primary-School

The problem with Politifact's analysis of Jon's comments is that they based the study on Fox viewers being ILL-informed as opposed to MIS-informed. Fox Viewers may be informed enough to know that the current president is Barack Obama, but they are also MISinformed into thinking he's a Muslim born in Kenya.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/jun/21/readers-sound-about-our-false-jon-stewart/

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
I've listed a bunch of shady stuff from Obama's past above. Criminal land deals. Associations with domestic terrorists. Attending the sermons of blatantly racist pastor


Right.. the so-called Ayers connection (a guy who donated 200 bucks to Obama) , a pastor who said some crazy shit, and a crook landlord. Major fucking scandals there. Lets get real, these are packets of dirt all dug up for political reasons by his opponents, and when you dig a bit deeper, as many have done, it turns out the connections are not really there at all. Its all conspiracy food for the hungry. coincidently, I saw today a report that proves some of my points to all this guilt-by-association nonsensical conspiracy theories, about a guy called Greg Mortensen (who Obama donated to, so another stain on his record btw). Watch this video: http://youtu.be/XhAb37yZ0o0

Now, Mortensen is a best-selling author, and for that(And probably because Obama donated to him), he paid the price of having reporters actually cross-check his stories and past. Turns out that much of it was bullshit, and he has some real skeletons. But lets pause for a second and consider this: How much scrutiny do you think Mortensen past has had VS Obamas past? How much time and effort was really laid down by 60 minutes in order to expose him as a fraud? A lot of good reporting and investigating, sure, and I'm sure CBS saw it as a scoop of sorts.

But imagine if someone did the same on Obama, the POTUS himself, and could reveal him as a big phony. Imagine the scoop! Right?

The sad truth is that they've done all this, like they do with every candidate, dug through their past, gone through records, interviewed friends, family, business-connections, land deals, activists, churces, photos, schools, birth cerfiticates, foreign countries and whatever else. They interviewed his fuckin grandmother in Kenya, for crying out loud.

Think for a moment, if Obama was a fraud like Mortensen, wouldn't you have something more on him by now?

@blankfist, you're right, I can't prove racism is the motive. However given what I've posted and what Dag has said, I highly suspect racism is why this issue continues to persist despite, what I would call, overwhelming evidence that he is in fact a natural citizen.

To my knowledge no other past president has had their origin of birth subjected to this much public scrutiny. Even after he has released those documents in the most official form allowed by Hawaiian law, and had officials validate the original forms, it still persists. This 'issue' first came up during the election, McCain, as Dag pointed out, despite having similar issue that could call into question his citizenship was not subject to this.

"Then what are they complaining about?"
What indeed. As I mentioned in another post, he's got a Muslim name, he's black, and he grew up in culturally diverse environments very different from what many Americans are used to. To them, this makes him unAmerican and believing he was born in Kenya validates that view. Regardless of truth, these prejudices are being used to generate support for opposing parties.

And yes, the reasons I'm giving as to why this issue persists beyond a reasonable point is speculation, but I don't think that speculation is unfounded.