Radio-based SETI is grounded in the hope that an advanced civilization would intentionally broadcast on a radio frequency for the benefit of lesser developed civilizations such as ours. It's a naive paternalistic fantasy if you look at it a certain way. But I think it's invaluable even as a species-wide gesture of hope. If I were some mega-billionaire I'd definitely fund an Ellie Arroway.

As for the concept of planets eventually being converted into massive brains, that's my own theory for the logical extent of the singularity as well. Unfortunately I believe at some point in the thousand year process the earth-brain becomes rather indifferent to our continued existence. We're like an enzyme. Maybe a healhy earth-brain is mindful of its enzymes.

>> ^Yogi:
It's Never Lupus.


As Warren Ellis said on a t-shirt, "Universal Health Care. Because one day, seriously, it is actually going to be Lupus."

Sorry Im horrible at getting myself understood the first time on these things I think my brain over thinks simple conversations sometimes. I guess what I was thinking was what the likely hood of that kind of thing happening again was or does it happen often? Do people seriously get harassed a lot? I was even thinking of taking a trip there one day and I wanted to have a good experience. I guess Im wondering if thats likely?

Ive actually thought of Denmark it looks like a beautiful place but the language barrier would be huge for me. I actually know a little French thought of moving close to the coast where I could take a ferry to the Isle.
Thanks for your input.

In reply to this comment by DrivelsAdvocate:
I'm not sure I understand your question fully, but if you're asking me for a ratio of goths to degenerate low-life then I would say 1: many. Aimless, jobless, intent-on-criminality pond life are legion in this country, although in part I suppose that's down to the government as unemployment is high and aspirations are low among the young in the less privileged parts of our society. Forget England, apparently Denmark is a very nice place to live (well at least according to a friend who spent a few months there) if you are looking for tolerant, friendly folk and a youth culture that doesn't revolve around loitering on the streets and haranguing members of the public. I'm starting to sound like the Daily Mail now, So I'd better shut up

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Yes I have often thought that moving to England would be some kind of a dream. From hearing about this and what you have said maybe I was wrong. I really thought it would be the king of place where people could walk down the street at night and smile and say hi and be nice to everyone.
A question for you. You say you live in the area. What do you think is the percentage of people that are goth or different according to the people who committed these crimes? Or do you know?

In reply to this comment by DrivelsAdvocate:
>> ^ctrlaltbleach:
Really shocked that this happened in England. I always thought Europeans were more tolerant of others. Now I'm starting to realize maybe there is no place on the earth where everyone can be happy together.


I live quite near to where this girl was killed. I'm afraid that any romantic notion you had of England doesn't exist any more - we are under siege from feckless, moronic, feral youths who engage in low levels of criminality (and the occasional high profile case) with near impunity. God help you if you ever decide to take one of the little bleeders down a peg or two, though, as you'll more than likely be the one who ends up banged up.

Edit: That's a cringe-worthy related link at the bottom of the page; Sophie Ellis Baxter's Murder on the Dancefloor? Only if they play your song..

Yes I have often thought that moving to England would be some kind of a dream. From hearing about this and what you have said maybe I was wrong. I really thought it would be the king of place where people could walk down the street at night and smile and say hi and be nice to everyone.
A question for you. You say you live in the area. What do you think is the percentage of people that are goth or different according to the people who committed these crimes? Or do you know?

In reply to this comment by DrivelsAdvocate:
>> ^ctrlaltbleach:
Really shocked that this happened in England. I always thought Europeans were more tolerant of others. Now I'm starting to realize maybe there is no place on the earth where everyone can be happy together.


I live quite near to where this girl was killed. I'm afraid that any romantic notion you had of England doesn't exist any more - we are under siege from feckless, moronic, feral youths who engage in low levels of criminality (and the occasional high profile case) with near impunity. God help you if you ever decide to take one of the little bleeders down a peg or two, though, as you'll more than likely be the one who ends up banged up.

Edit: That's a cringe-worthy related link at the bottom of the page; Sophie Ellis Baxter's Murder on the Dancefloor? Only if they play your song..

>> ^ctrlaltbleach:
Really shocked that this happened in England. I always thought Europeans were more tolerant of others. Now I'm starting to realize maybe there is no place on the earth where everyone can be happy together.


I live quite near to where this girl was killed. I'm afraid that any romantic notion you had of England doesn't exist any more - we are under siege from feckless, moronic, feral youths who engage in low levels of criminality (and the occasional high profile case) with near impunity. God help you if you ever decide to take one of the little bleeders down a peg or two, though, as you'll more than likely be the one who ends up banged up.

Edit: That's a cringe-worthy related link at the bottom of the page; Sophie Ellis Baxter's Murder on the Dancefloor? Only if they play your song..

>> ^StukaFox:
If you like this story, you will LOVE http://www.amazon.com/Seasons-Hell-Mike-Shropshire/dp/1556114958


Sounds like a great read, I'll pick it up. Thanks!

Thanks for the quality boost, Matthew Modine!

In reply to this comment by arvana:
Fantastic.

*quality

Yup, Doc Ellis took the acid.. So did Dan Rather, Cary Grant, Aldous Huxley, Francis Crick, Anais Nin, Bill Gates, the creators of South Park, and others.


Good thing it's finding its way back into clinical studies.

As Ellis recounted it:

"I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the (catcher's) glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. I started having a crazy idea in the fourth inning that Richard Nixon was the home plate umpire, and once I thought I was pitching a baseball to Jimi Hendrix, who to me was holding a guitar and swinging it over the plate. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me." - Wikipedia

It's estimated that thousands of people cross the border from Mexico every year. (some stay, some just visit) So our border has definitely never been secure. I don't even think it's physically possible to secure.

And having visited Ellis island, I can tell you it was a little more complicated than that. They used to chalk you up when you came through. All based on looks. Look mentally ill? Too bad. Look like a criminal? Too bad. Look sick? Yep, we'll see ya later.

It's not that I disagree with securing the borders, but aren't they already secure? How much more secure must they be? If we weren't picking on everyone in the world, we wouldn't have to worry about so called 'bad' people coming through our borders to hurt any of us.

That aside, I think it's currently too difficult to become a citizen of this country. I wish it was like the ol' Ellis Island days. You walk off the boat, they take your name, and welcome to America!

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