Well, now that the U.S. economy has colapsed, that should also mean that Canadian economy has collasped too right? Well, really dosent look that way right now. Sure, things have slowed down, but nobody here is panicking.
We still have a healthy housing market and stable banks. Who's laughing now?

Wow, of course this makes sense but hurry up and fix the problem already....

"Hey, lets wait until, the whole system colapses, no need to anything until then, why spend the money"

Then..., Build something new and improved and start all over, lots of profit to be made there... (and who cares about the public, as long as we make money!)

If this is the end, if there is no way to save ourselves now, then I will stay until the ship goes down. Because if it happens then here is where the story will be, to witness one of the greatest colapses in history is a dubious honor that not many people get to have. I wouldnt forgive myself if i didnt stay till the end

What the hell my bike wants to colapse the second I take a single hand off the bars. This one drives itself? Last time I buy a cheap rip off

If I'm with the libs on anything, it's this. GIVE US FREAKING MORE MONEY! We're freaking curing your diseases. You spend more money on guns than medicine. If you've ever taken an antibiotic, you owe biomedical science your life.

And though I'm a capitalist, I still love the idea of open access scientific journals... It is extraordinarily annoying to go after a paper you need and find you don't have access to it. I'm proud to say that the highest journal in my particular field is open access, that is the Journal of Virology. It kills me to say it however, that I think journals should have the right to choose whether they're open access or not. It's their business. It's their money. I think there should be incentives for them to choose open source. Tax incentives? maybe.

Anyway, does anyone know if this particular funding was attached to other funding in the bill? I expect it was part of a HUGE mess of stuff like most bills. Seeing the trends in congress lately I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of a bill that also would mean MANY other radical funding changes or changes in policy. That way when it gets vetoed, they can cry foul on not funding science. yeesh. Could they please just divide that crap up? It's so obviously political BS anymore. Biomedical science needs money. Make a freaking bill that says just that alone.

Anyway, the Scientist:
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/home/53858/

I will warn that if this thing passes, it will be a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR upset to non-opensource journals... as in possible colapse of several of them. I hope they are prepared.

FYI, America's "Science" and England's "Nature" are the 2 highest impact journals in the world by a landslide and they are NOT open source journals.

The president is allegedly not opposed to the open source bit, but of pork earmarks in the bill. Most bills have this sort of crap which should be in their own bills in the first place dang it. That sorta crap keeps money from where it should be.

When mass falls and encounters more mass it slows down?
This is true, but only when it doesn't have the added acceleration of gravity pulling it down. I see your point, but it doesn't hold up when you include gravity and the sheer mass of the top of the building, and especially since each new colapsing floor adds to the mass. These things have been calculated and even in the primary sources I linked above. You make a lot of statements you claim to be pure fact, but you don't support them with evidence. You're positing hypotheses as facts and conclusions as data. That just doesn't work in an argument. Yet you never fail to name-call. If you can't stand to hear views that oppose your own, you'll only find anger and frustration on internet forums.

And if you want a new country, there's the door dude.

Ok Par, re-read the sentence carefully, it's the structure that confuses..should have used better sentence structure-
only 3 have ever collapsed due to fire-those 3

those towers were designed to take an impact of a Jumbo Jet

The fire stopped burning for the most part, prior to the colapse-

The prep for setting up a controlled demo, takes more time than was necessary, besides, part of the news reporting that cay, would have ran something like, "Demolitions crews are here, placing charges, etc., it has been determined that the building must be brought down" etc....WTC 7 was not that badly damaged, and the official story is that the debris from #WTC 1 or 2, that hit the building, ignited some fuel tanks inside the building....(non-existent fuel tanks in a building, do not cause it to buckle towards the center, sending down in a neat pile)

So it was pulled, but why is there no banter about the logistics of it, the set up, for chrissaske, NYC, broad daylight, other buildings around it...that, is complete HORSESHIT!

These responses are from that predictable portion of the human process(mental), that produces denial as a defense and survival mechanism.....i.e. Just because one refuses to or is incapable of wrapping their brain around an idea, does not mean it is crazy, wrong, absurd, etc....

"Subjected to these factors"....Soooooo, again, the "official" story, and the "EXPERT'S" explanations, are all a monkey needs to arrive at an opinion???

How insane.

....tooth fairy shit, ...Easter Bunny

there is a defind difrence between sumone making up a conspiricy theary like we didnot land on the moon. and then sumone who would like to know why a boulding colapsed in on itself identicaly to a demolisoin due to some exsternal damage and a fire. ( boulding 7) and then sumone who would like to know how a govemenrt could be a compleat and utter failear in regards to dealing with planes hijact flying towards a city. and then sumone who ascs how come in september 11th and the british atacks why were there training exsersicess going on that were very simuler to the atacks themselfs ? there is a defind difrence between people who questoin sep11th lagimitmatly. and the compleat nutters who just go off on one about random consipricy crap.

The lose change people r idoits thay are ignorent zelots thay are more intrestead in proving there preconceptoin rather than tring to find the truth. can we not make a list of definative things that need to be soreted out regarding sep11th

1) no footage of a plane hitting pentagon with plenty of confiscated film that should show resnably clearly a plane. ( this happend in england there is no footage of the bombers in the underground evan though england has god knows how manay camars all over the place)

2) boulding 7 colapsed in a very controled mannor. evan though it had minimul damage. evan if it had major structual damage whitch is a posability it still fell more ore less verticaly which hasnot happend before with sutch a structure and would be unlikly to happen in these sercomstances if from damage alone.

3) the adioe and sysmick recordings of multiple explisoins that were seperate from the plane impacts.

and then find out who in the govement was directly responsable for blocking fbi and securty actoins. and the compleat incompitence if it was that regarding the inteligence operatoins,

People do take lots of things out of context and people will use words difrently.

hwoever it Dose apear there were bombs inside the WTC with damage to the basment that wouldent make mutch sence from a plane strike. asitoinaly there are adioe recordings of multiple explosoins whitch are seperate from the plane crashes. allso when a boulding colapses it is going to be more of a rumble not sharp explisoins.

so although manny refrencess are just people talking about the normal colaps. it seems to me that it is verly likely there wer other exploisons that likely contrabuted to the colaps.

these documentries dont help the issue with the fact that manny of the comments thay contain are just people taken out of context

I have yet to see a program investigate the concspiricies that interviews one of the respected people who dont have an agenda other than wanting to know more about the resoins behind why the bouldings clapsed.

nerly all the conspiricies are compleat idocy and all these programs just look at the retarded things and validly say how stupid thay are. its unfortunate how this has led to a imideat dismissel of events that were evident and should be looked at.

boulding 7 maby how it colapsed right down with the walles cloapsed inwards which only happens when demolished. maby this was a one off but if it was so obvouse then surly it would have been descoverd by now and not still been worked on by the oficeal report. allso i wish the fbi would relase some of the footage thay have a of a plane flying into the pentagon as thay took vidoe from all the hotels ore places that have securty camras that would have footage of the plane on rute and hitting it.

allso more important than anny resoins behind what happend is the fact that usa,s foregen polcy is compleat BS and retardatoin and bringing the world down i recon thay just know that the usa econimy is fucked along with englands so the only way the countries can stay ontop is by invading everyone ore finding more resourcess and selling wepons to found it all.

Haaaa... you are inconsistent grasshopper!

"I mean for a while scientists thought that a trip to the moon is a ridiculous idea."
That's absolutely true, and I think there was even some scientists who only 10 years before the moon landing still said it couldn't be done.

But then you fell in the same category as those erroneous scientists:
"And I honestly doubt a test for God can be developed(...)"
You're going down the same path as those scientists. I for one, know that science doesn't have all the answers... yet! I don't think it will have in my life time or even my great-great-great-great-grandsons time. But someday. It will happen (unless humanity colapses or is destroyed by a natural disaster).
I don't make the claim that science can't do X. I say that science can't do X at the present time. That's the difference
I leave room for improvement, research, better scientists or simply more intelligent.

And besides... I'm sure that you would agree with me that science has come a long long hardous way in the last... let's say... 3 centuries?
And you also know that science is unfortunately still underrated and underfunded, because we pathetic humans have governments who prefer to waste their money on totally useless things like weapons (specially the american case. did you know that 1 year's worth of budget for the american army could easily erradicate world hunger forever?), or other political interests.
Imagine, please, a world where science and education (together with health) were the most heavily funded sections of society. I think we would see a REALLY REALLY big improvement not only in the ammount of information and new discoveries being made, but also in overall life quality for everyone on this planet.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

If it's a person *or* debris (unable to tell) then I'm thinking this probably does not fall afoul of our rule.

The rule is to prevent videos of public beheadings and the like. I too find videos of the WTC colapse very disturbing. I always get choked up - but probably not fitting for a discard.

Oh did not know that. The main reason for the colapse was however that all was built at the cost of its people which also resulted in poor quality of about everything they made. People had no self gain and thus was not interested in evolving.

Im swedish btw. Guess any russian would know more about this

by simplistick i ment from what can see in the clip and from what i have seen in relation to other phiscs engins that we see in games now. one would be able to make a for better jugment on this with avrage ingame footage

i highly dobt that the aditional things u sore in that sutch as the man grabing onto that huge metal structure and then that colapsing was created using the phisics engine alone stuff like that would mutch more likly be scripted when the charactor performs the generick phisick blast thing we see in this clip close to a set peace object

i know that real time phisics is annything but simplistick as i am doing a games design degree and speek to programmers who have to compleat a phisics module on the last year of thair corse it took sumone i know who was very apt at programming 5 weeks to get a resnable rag dole working and evan then the legs wud spaz out if thay colided in a sertain way.