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>> ^Croccydile:

>> ^LarsaruS:
Ahhh, the Amiga... Some of the best games ever made were on that system. When the Amiga died computer science and capability lost ~10 years. True multitasking, AGA graphics, sound which didn't only go blip and a lot of other awesome features which the PC took ages to get. Heck Windows, afaik, still only fakes multitasking.

Wait... what? There is no doubt that the machine had great capabilities when it was first released, but this statement is a tad off.
When the Amiga died, everything else had superseded it. I seriously doubt the industry lost 10 years. At its release the machine (1985) was in a league of its own, the problem was they didn't really advance the design along as the rest of the industry caught up. When you talk about "fake" multitasking you are describing Windows, MacOS, Linux, etc... task switching is now trivial on modern processors even in software. Hell we have hardware virtualization on modern CPUs now! Switching resolutions on the Amiga between scanlines was pretty cool in 1985 but by the time it died this was no longer necessary as well as video architecture in general rendered this obsolete. Amiga was stuck on the legacy implications of the OCS and its greatest strength became its greatest weakness to advancing by the early 90s. Even AGA was actually a step backwards compared to emerging 16-bit and 24-bit colour PC video cards. Hold and Modify (for HiColor on the Amiga) required use of the CPU for displaying static images when Hi/True Colour PC cards did this simple task in hardware. Ugh!
It didn't matter in the end anyways. Gross mismanagement along with a seemingly trivial patent case on the CD32 put the company under for good. Really a good example at why software patents can be insanity at times. http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2005-February/002587.html
Don't get me wrong as I don't mean to pick on you in particular. I just wanted to point out at the end of its life the Amiga was not all roses and unicorns. I would still personally like to have an Amiga 1000 to play with at home sometime


I guess you really do learn something new every day. I hadn't heard of the XOR patent issue. Also, no hard feelings on my side. I tend to get nostalgic when it comes to old systems.

>> ^LarsaruS:

Ahhh, the Amiga... Some of the best games ever made were on that system. When the Amiga died computer science and capability lost ~10 years. True multitasking, AGA graphics, sound which didn't only go blip and a lot of other awesome features which the PC took ages to get. Heck Windows, afaik, still only fakes multitasking.


Wait... what? There is no doubt that the machine had great capabilities when it was first released, but this statement is a tad off.

When the Amiga died, everything else had superseded it. I seriously doubt the industry lost 10 years. At its release the machine (1985) was in a league of its own, the problem was they didn't really advance the design along as the rest of the industry caught up. When you talk about "fake" multitasking you are describing Windows, MacOS, Linux, etc... task switching is now trivial on modern processors even in software. Hell we have hardware virtualization on modern CPUs now! Switching resolutions on the Amiga between scanlines was pretty cool in 1985 but by the time it died this was no longer necessary as well as video architecture in general rendered this obsolete. Amiga was stuck on the legacy implications of the OCS and its greatest strength became its greatest weakness to advancing by the early 90s. Even AGA was actually a step backwards compared to emerging 16-bit and 24-bit colour PC video cards. Hold and Modify (for HiColor on the Amiga) required use of the CPU for displaying static images when Hi/True Colour PC cards did this simple task in hardware. Ugh!

It didn't matter in the end anyways. Gross mismanagement along with a seemingly trivial patent case on the CD32 put the company under for good. Really a good example at why software patents can be insanity at times. http://xcssa.org/pipermail/xcssa/2005-February/002587.html

Don't get me wrong as I don't mean to pick on you in particular. I just wanted to point out at the end of its life the Amiga was not all roses and unicorns. I would still personally like to have an Amiga 1000 to play with at home sometime

Ahhh, the Amiga... Some of the best games ever made were on that system. When the Amiga died computer science and capability lost ~10 years. True multitasking, AGA graphics, sound which didn't only go blip and a lot of other awesome features which the PC took ages to get. Heck Windows, afaik, still only fakes multitasking.

Phil Juiptus: What kind of a hellish quiz is this?

Stephen Fry: Fair point.

Pj: What one is the odd one out? None of them! bahahahhahah.

Sf: Aren't we clever.

Sf: Hey, is that me?

Pj: That's you.

Sf: Ohhhh bugger you. I don't sound like that.

--New scene--

Sf: Would that it where.

Pj: would that it where stephen, would that it where?

Sf (interjecting): Going all rob.. robinson, are would that it where, would that it where, oh sushen ticthen(?)

Pj: one for mother and only son.

--New scene--

Pj: You'd be rampaging through down town Tokyo, "BAHAHHAH", "no a museum!"

--New scene--

Pj: Stephen what are you doing in that bathroom? "I'm putting it to go one way, I'm putting it to go the other. I'm the master of the bath, hahahahah"

--New Scene--

Pj: Stephen doesn't have beer googles, he has madeira pas nez. (madeira glasses)

Pj: "Oh your a cracker, more madeira?" "a small sherry?"

--New scene--

Sf: Your the ones who suggested coins, I'm saying a kettle for example, or any other cooking...

Pj (interjecting): One one has a kettle like that! what you plugging? Look at it. We don't all live in a fluffy Duffy Dickensian world of charm like you.

Sf: well,

Pj: Oh there goes the kettle, and on the aga.

Sf: Its a perfectly sensible way of cooking food and preparing meals, and it keeps the kitchen warm.

Pj: No wonder fucking twinnings had you pal.

Sf: I feel a man...

Pj: of proper kettles, and porcelain tea, bahahh, china. England! Cricket!

Alan davies: Can you do an advert where you're cleaning a kettle with some brown sauce.

Sf: I jolly well will now.

Pj: Stephen fry, for HP, bahahhahaha

--New scene--

Sf: so we have had two blueffs, I should do that shouldn't I? ahah

Pj: would that it where Stephen, would that it where.

--New scene--

Sf: thats not the kinda thing I like...

pj: he actually had a bentley skateboard made of tea tray, "fine, original Birmingham wheels"

Sf: I had a space hopper. Well I did.

Pj: Baha baha baha baha, "nearly to (a place even I can't make out)" Baha baha baha. Mother, a bicycle next time for the love of god.

Pj: Your like nine feet tall!

Sf: well...

Pj: Your knees must have been here, bahaha.

Sf: Not when I was 8.

Jimmy Carr: Turns out it was just a terrible hemroid..

--New scene--

Sf: When I went to university, me and my friend hugh laurie shared a house, and we had a bit of work doing, and our plasterers, do you know who they where?

Ad: Cannon and ball.

Sf: Charlie higson and Paul whitehouse where our plasterers.

Ad: and you where there inspiration, for so many characters.

Pj: steven the fellas in the hall are awfully funny.

Sf: Right, I'm telling, you're bad.

Pj: what do you say we listen in on them, and, err, nick a few jokes.

So where's my power point for translating from English to English?

here's the mp3! http://www.airmp3.net/search/city___colour/mp3/aga

Les Cowboys Fringants:Les Étoiles Filantes
From LyricWiki
This song is performed by Les Cowboys Fringants and appears on the album La Grand-Messe (2004).
http://lyricwiki.org/Les_Cowboys_Fringants:Les_%C3%89toiles_Filantes

(English translation below)

***French original
Si je m'arrête un instant
Pour te parler de ma vie
Juste comme ça tranquillement
Dans un bar rue St-Denis

J'te raconterai les souvenirs
Bien gravés dans ma mémoire
De cette époque où vieillir
Était encore bien illusoire

Quand j'agaçais les p'tites filles
Pas loin des balançoires
Et que mon sac de billes
Devenait un vrai trésor

Et ces hivers enneigés
À construire des igloos
Et rentrer les pieds g'lés
Juste à temps pour Passe-Partout

Mais au bout du ch'min dis-moi c'qui va rester
De la p'tite école et d'la cour de récré ?
Quand les avions en papier ne partent plus au vent
On se dit que l'bon temps passe finalement...

... Comme une étoile filante

Si je m'arrête un instant
Pour te parler de la vie
Je constate que bien souvent
On choisit pas mais on subit
Et que les rêves des ti-culs
S'évanouissent ou se refoulent
Dans cette réalité crue
Qui nous embarque dans le moule

La trentaine, la bedaine
Les morveux, l'hypothèque
Les bonheurs et les peines
Les bons coups et les échecs

Travailler, faire d'son mieux
En arracher, s'en sortir
Et espérer être heureux
Un peu avant de mourir

Mais au bout du ch'min dis-moi c'qui va rester
De notre p'tit passage dans ce monde effréné ?
Après avoir existé pour gagner du temps
On s'dira que que l'on était finalement

... Que des étoiles filantes

Si je m'arrête un instant
Pour te parler de ma vie
Juste comme ça tranquillement
Pas loin du Carré St-Louis

C'est qu'avec toi je suis bien
Et que j'ai pu' l'goût de m'en faire
Parce que tsé voir trop loin
C'pas mieux que r'garder en arrière

Malgré les vieilles amertumes
Et les amours qui passent
Les chums qu'on perd dans' brume
Et les idéaux qui se cassent

La vie s'accroche et renaît
Comme les printemps reviennent
Dans une bouffée d'air frais
Qui apaise les coeurs en peine

Ça fait que si à' soir t'as envie de rester
Avec moi, la nuit est douce on peut marcher
Et même si on sait ben que tout dure rien qu'un temps
J'aimerai ça que tu sois pour un moment...

... Mon étoile filante

Mais au bout du ch'min dis-moi c'qui va rester...
Mais au bout du ch'min dis-moi c'qui va rester...

... Que des étoiles filantes




***English translation
If I stop a moment
To tell you about my life
Just like that, quietly
In a bar on St-Denis

I'd tell you the memories
Well-etched into my memory
From that time when aging
Was still but illusory

When I annoyed the little girls
Not far from the swings
And my bag of marbles
Became a real treasure

And these snowy winters
Of constructing igloos
And going back inside with frozen feet
Just in time for Passe-Partout

But at the end of the road tell me what will remain
Of the little school and the playground?
When the paper planes no longer fly on the wind
We tell ourselves that the good times are finally ending...

...like a shooting star

If I stop a moment
To tell you about life
I note that quite often
We do not choose but we endure
And that the dreams of little lads
Dissipate or collapse
In this hard reality
Which casts us in the mold

The thirties, the belly
The kids, the mortgage
The pleasures and the sorrows
The strokes of luck and the failures

Working, doing one's best
And struggling, and getting out
And hoping to be happy
A little before dying

But at the end of the road tell me what will remain
Of our little passage through this mad world?
After having existed to buy some time
We'll tell ourselves that we were in the end

...but shooting stars

If I stop a moment
To tell you about my life
Just like that, quietly
Not far from St-Louis Square

It's only with you that I'm okay
And that I lost the taste to care
Because you know seeing too far ahead
Isn't better than looking backwards

Despite the old bitternesses
And the loves that pass
The friends we lose in the mists
And the ideals which fall apart

Life holds on and renews
Like the springtimes return
In a puff of fresh air
Which appeases pained hearts

So if tonight you want to stay
With me, the night is soft we can walk
And even if we know that all lasts but a time
I'd like you to be for a moment...

...My shooting star

But tell me at the end of the road what will remain...
But tell me at the end of the road what will remain...

...Just shooting stars

I was lucky enough to have gotten an Amiga 3000 in the early 90's in the hopes of starting a video production business. Not only did I have access to the games but also had a Video Toaster and Lightwave to play with. I'm still blown away by the level of graphics the Amiga and it's AGA chip were able to put out at the time. Good times! (Hey, where's Bill's Tomato Game?? )