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Theft by Deception - a history of tax law

cryptographrix says...

you're absolutely right - they can essentially create new laws by interpreting the same statutes differently, but that's not what's happening here, as the law that they are interpreting does not follow the guidelines set forth in the Constitution...and people are not even taught the Constitution in full to be able to understand the law they are inherently judging when they are present as members of the Jury.

My point is that the tax itself is illegal because of the guidelines set forth in the Constitution. Trying to argue that it is not illegal by offering a statute that does not follow the guidelines in the Constitution does not make that statute LEGAL.

If people do support the tax law itself, over the Constitution, then the Constitution itself, without amendment to form a basis for that law's existence, can and must be deemed null and void by the citizens of this country that were told that it was governing them, as well as all applicable statutes and regulations which derive their power from the Constitution - i.e. the United States Code itself OR it must be amended to give that power to a governing body - i.e. - Congress.

I think it's great that other countries pay higher taxes, especially when they have the laws in place to do so, and they use the money gained from taxation RESPONSIBLY. Fact of the matter is, this country does not. The majority of our taxes go toward the military and national defense. The majority of funds for government services(even being as unconstitutional as I continually state they are) comes from loans from the Federal Reserve, which increases our National Debt.

Now if, on the other hand, the money I pay for taxes went toward helping my fellow soldiers(yes, I am a veteran) with the same level of subsidized medical care that Switzerland enjoys/enjoyed as a result of their amendments to existing laws in 1911, I'd probably be spending my time, right now, on trying to help privatize the United States' health insurance industry if it was having problems as a result of the same level of monopolization as the public school system in this country has, or I'd be trying to help draft an amendment to the Constitution to make sure that the government has the power to both tax the people and use those taxes RESPONSIBLY.

As it stands right now, Congress has neither the legal basis for the Federal Income Tax, nor is it required by the Constitution to use those taxes responsibly(because it never had the basis in the first place), nor has it used the taxes it has received responsibly. If it did, I doubt that we'd be having this conversation, as really the only reason anyone is challenging the legality of the Federal Income Tax is because it's kindof sickening to think that one's income taxes are being used(literally) to send his brother and sister into harm's way.

Also - please note another difference between the United States and Switzerland - in the United States, sure, we have the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances, but the Constitution says nothing about at what point our redress must be addressed by the government, whereas in Switzerland, "Any citizen may challenge a law that has been passed by parliament. If s/he is able to gather 50,000 signatures against the law within 100 days, a national vote has to be scheduled where voters decide by a simple majority whether to accept or reject the law."

and "Also, any citizen may seek a decision on an amendment they want to make to the constitution. For such an amendment initiative to be organized, the signatures of 100,000 voters must be collected within 18 months."

If we could do that in this country, the war in Iraq would have been over LONG ago...heck, the amount of taxes we pay and we spend on the military and national defense would have been challenged and voted on long ago, but as it stands, such a virtue is not extended to the people by the Constitution, therefore the government technically never has to address the petitions brought forth by the people of the United States - it only needs to give them the ability to petition.

(oh and by the way - I'm not fond of civilization, either, but that's a different debate for a different time.)

BBC reported WTC7 Collapse while it was still standing!!

Farhad2000 says...

Rickegee, I would want to agree with you on the point that invading Iraq has certain humanitarian issues that are favorable. And in someways thats the way I resigned it once the war began and I witnessed it in Kuwait.

But realistically if the freedom and democracy in Iraq really was an agenda for the American or Western governments it would have been done in 1991. When there was populist support for the removal of Saddam Hussein, a rebellion in the south and north of the country post the 100 days. However coalition forces let Saddam use attack helicopters to crush these domestic movements for democracy.

So what happened is the international community just forgot about Iraq, US forces occasionally bombed them, the UN sanctions did alot of damage to the civilians, back room dealing allowed the regime to survive. Saddam Hussein became more entrenched in his position because he was the sole provider of anything under sanctions and no fly zones. The civilian population saw the chance of liberation stop and pull back.

History is not the actions of men in power, but what that power means to the little people who have none, to the civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, to the soldiers who enlist because they have little choice and come from far flung places like Little Rock and Colorado Springs and a million other places we never really hear of.

I hope for one thing that History gives this time it's full needed coverage for it is something I never want to see happen ever again. What I hate most is how cynical I have become about the human race given all this, because quite frankly it shows how far reaching certain people's ability is to fool the most powerful nation in the world into basically falling on it's own sword.

maudlin (Member Profile)

michie says...

nice , really like that post. it's a great show. some of the moves are just incredible.

where's here?

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Whoa! That just got to the front page.

Glad you liked it! Now I have to catch the series when it finally shows up over here.

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great fuckin post maudlin! been trying to get hold of a monster move clip for ages.

oh and cheers for the 'in under a 100 days' encouragement
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maudlin (Member Profile)

michie says...

great fuckin post maudlin! been trying to get hold of a monster move clip for ages.

oh and cheers for the 'in under a 100 days' encouragement
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The First Church of John Deere. Love it!

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