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They tell me that the Media is Liberal even when they speak the truth. They tell me that the Media is against them. They tell me that they are their own ballanced and neutral arbiter.

They tell even the Media to shut up or we will cut you off. Sure, this did work in prior elections, but it will not work this time becuase they can tell the Netroots to shut up, but we will not stand by silently. Not. This. Time.

We, the Netroots, do not have to wait for the Media to cover the story. We will cover it.

We do not have to have the "facts" spoon feed to us. We will find the facts ourselves.

We do not have to wait for permission. We will grant it to ourselves.

So go ahead. Call me a sexist when I actually supported womens rights. I know where I stand.

Go ahead. Call me racist when I am the Black man that has been struggling for this moment. I know what has really happened.

Go ahead. Call me "Liberal" when I am actually firmly in the masses. I know what a mess the "conservatives" have made.

Go ahead. Keep telling me that I am losing when I am in the lead. I know that we will win because it is our time.

You, who love war, who love money, who love power -- your time is up. You had your chance, but no more, not this time, because it is our time. It is time for all of the people -- all of the people of the United States of America.

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gwiz665 says...

That's crazy. Your country sure has a lot of stupid people

The worst part is, I guess, that they're not really stupid, they just aggressive and stubborn. No respect, I tells ya.
In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
Nah, blankfist leaves that kind of harassment to the brownshirts teabaggers. It's been going on for a while.

I don't put Obama stickers or magnets on my car for exactly that reason. Add in that I usually drive a Prius, and it's just too tempting for America's nationalists to leave be.

In 2008 there was a very concerted and persistent effort put forth by somebody to steal people's Obama yard signs too. I had mine stolen a couple times, and then discovered it was a nationwide phenomenon. I never heard if they found out who was behind it, but it wasn't just random, they'd get stolen from whole streets at a time.

I hesitate to think how they'll behave in 2012. Rocks through windows? Burning crosses?
In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
Did blankfist come by your car?


enoch says...

In reply to this comment by NetRunner:
The Shock Doctrine and disaster capitalism are a lot more precise concepts than this. The idea behind the Shock Doctrine isn't that all conceptions of left and right are a distraction from the so-called "real" issues, it's where you foment a series of national crises in order to subvert the mechanisms of democracy in order to implement radical policies that would only be acquiesced to when people were in a state of shock.

In the case of disaster capitalism, you actually get a nice feedback loop. Deregulate markets, newly deregulated markets crash and create an economic crisis, and new "reforms" which further deregulate markets are proposed as the solution to the crisis created by the last round of deregulation. See all economic policy proposed by Republicans since the 1980's for examples.

There's also a burden of proof fallacy at work here. 3 cherry-picked quotes from Bush and Kerry on Iraq does not a conspiracy make. The political divide in the country in 2004 over Iraq clearly had the "stay forever" and "get out now" poles to it. That the Democratic candidate was moderate and said merely "don't stay forever", is more a sign of there being a right-wing conspiracy rigging elections and corrupting the Democratic party, not that the very idea of left and right having policy disagreements is some sort of elaborate distraction.

The thing I'm sensing in a lot of liberals these days is the sense that even when we win elections, we're still pretty much getting Republican policies rammed down our throats. We're even doing this thing where we Occupy places in protest of the 1% corrupting our political process and subverting the will of the people...


hey man,
i cant tell if you are agreeing with the video or not.
i am going to guess on the negative.
which kind of confuses me because the video is really just laying out what the hegelian dialectic is and how it can be used to be a lever of control.(sans the ron paul filler at the end).
i found it a pretty short but succinct in its intended goal to educate.

your descriptions of "shock doctrine" and "disaster capitalism" are correct but your premise seems to ignore that both utilize the hegelian dialectic to execute properly in to a society.

example:
problem (thesis)<------------------> reaction (antithesis)

but what if the institution meant to execute the reaction is the very same institution which created the problem,and hence is in the position to offer a solution? a solution which may have been the very thing they were after in the first place?

see where i am going with this?
so while in one scenario the problem is a creation,a facade, (shock doctrine) and the other (disaster capitalism) is an opportunistic leap for control,BOTH utilize the hegelian dialectic to accomplish their goals.

i am not a huge admirer of hegel (ok,i think he is a cunt) but he did understand human beings and the societies they live in because his predictions have played out quite accurately,when placed in the right context.

my thinking behind posting that video was to help people become aware of those levers of control.the philosophy behind those who wish to dominate and control the masses.
the more you know and all that jazz.

once you understand the hegelian dialectic and HOW it is used,you will see it in places and used in ways that prior you would have thought impossible.
it is used by those in power often and extremely well.

anyways.i just wanted to drop a note to you because either i misunderstood your comment or i am just a tad retarded.
in either case my friend,know that i love your commentary and i especially love your optimism.
really..keep up the optimism.my cynicism needs a dose every now and then.
peace brother.

xxovercastxx says...

Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate our discourse. It seems awfully hard to argue with people without fighting with people anymore and you damn near always keep it civil and on topic.

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