From YT: "Former Conservative MP, Michael Portillo pushes his body to the brink of death in an investigation into the science of execution.

As the American Supreme Court examines whether the lethal injection is causing prisoners to die in unnecessary pain Michael sets out to find a solution which is fundamentally humane. To do so he examines the key methods of execution available today: he discovers why convicts can catch on fire in the electric chair, learns how easy it is to botch a hanging and inhales a noxious gas to experience first hand the terror of the gas chamber.

Armed with some startling evidence Michael considers a completely new approach. Will it be the answer? There is only one way of finding out - to experience it himself."
Lannsays...

I am not for the death penalty but regardless, this is an interesting watch.

I'm sure the guy at the end would go at inmates with a blunt sword if he could...

jonnysays...

I remember watching this *quality documentary some years ago. The whole premise of the state executing citizens is fairly barbaric, but it was interesting to see just how barbaric or "humane" some folks' attitudes towards the death penalty are.

AeroMechanicalsays...

Naturally, I don't believe in capital punishment, but it seems to me their lethal injection procedure is too complicated for its own good. A massive opiate overdose (which could be delivered subQ or IM) would initially be euphoric, the person would fall asleep, stop breathing and then die of asphyxiation. There are caveats, of course (like they might not actually die and just end up severely brain-damaged from lack of oxygen), but these could be sorted with an additional injection of something more directly lethal once they were unconscious.

When it comes down to it, though, there really isn't a "humane" way to kill someone. Perhaps more or less "humane" ways, but it's still well down the "humane" spectrum.

Anyways, capital punishment seems to be more about vengeance than justice or problem solving. Also, given that it's not possible to undo, and the embarrassingly large number of cases overturned by DNA evidence as of late, it's just not worth it. People that truly are irredeemable psychopaths should just be given a lifetime sentence with no chance of parole. This wouldn't be a problem if they would stop incarcerating drug users for stupid-long periods of time. Prison should be for people incapable of living in society without causing harm to others. That's a case of mental illness, and should be treated as such.

Privatized prisons wouldn't like that, but if you eliminated all the incarcerated people who could be redeemable with the right treatment, we could direct our resources to maintaining and attempting to treat the truly criminally insane.

Bit of a rant, but the system seems to be broken and getting more broken all the time.

EMPIREsays...

Here's a humane solution for the death penalty: Don't do it. As humane and civilized as it can possibly get. And while you're at it, lock up the REALLY dangerous one is psychiatric facilities, and then treat the rest of the prison population as human beings, so once they pay their debt to society, they may have an opportunity to be reintegrated and live a, as normal as possible, life.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I hate having my government waste money in incarceration, if the only thing it's going to do is turn an already troubled person into an even bigger anti-social one, who is just going to commit more crimes and end up in jail again.

I digress... but... I had to.

A10anissays...

Saying; "Naturally, I don't believe in capital punishment." is a supposition. You infer that to believe in capital punishment goes against consensus, which is not the case. The majority are in favour of it.
Contrary to your opinion, there is a humane method. It is used by Dignitas and affords the "subject" dignity and a stress free death.
You say; "Capital punishment seems to be more about vengeance than justice or problem solving." Capital punishment IS about vengeance, justice and problem solving. But justice is the key. Until it has been proven - not with reasonable doubt, but unequivocally - that the accused is guilty, he/she should NOT be executed. People are not interested in whether execution has a deterrent effect (prison appears to have no deterrent effect either. N/York alone has a 65% recidivist rate). The causes of crime are myriad, but that is a separate issue which needs serious debate. We are talking about having your child raped, tortured and murdered by a fellow "human" who then turns to god, plays to the emotions of decent human beings, and asks for forgiveness. This is not something the victims families are interested in. They want justice. Yes, they want vengeance. But they, ultimately, want to see that society values the life of their child. The ultimate crime deserves the ultimate sentence.

AeroMechanicalsaid:

Naturally, I don't believe in capital punishment, but it seems to me their lethal injection procedure is too complicated for its own good. A massive opiate overdose (which could be delivered subQ or IM) would initially be euphoric, the person would fall asleep, stop breathing and then die of asphyxiation. There are caveats, of course (like they might not actually die and just end up severely brain-damaged from lack of oxygen), but these could be sorted with an additional injection of something more directly lethal once they were unconscious.

When it comes down to it, though, there really isn't a "humane" way to kill someone. Perhaps more or less "humane" ways, but it's still well down the "humane" spectrum.

Anyways, capital punishment seems to be more about vengeance than justice or problem solving. Also, given that it's not possible to undo, and the embarrassingly large number of cases overturned by DNA evidence as of late, it's just not worth it. People that truly are irredeemable psychopaths should just be given a lifetime sentence with no chance of parole. This wouldn't be a problem if they would stop incarcerating drug users for stupid-long periods of time. Prison should be for people incapable of living in society without causing harm to others. That's a case of mental illness, and should be treated as such.

Privatized prisons wouldn't like that, but if you eliminated all the incarcerated people who could be redeemable with the right treatment, we could direct our resources to maintaining and attempting to treat the truly criminally insane.

Bit of a rant, but the system seems to be broken and getting more broken all the time.

A10anissays...

You say; "I don't know about the rest of you, but I hate having my government waste money on incarceration, if the only thing it's going to do is turn an already troubled person into an even bigger anti-social one."

I make no apology for saying that is one of the stupidest comments I have had the misfortune to read. Your "solution" to ever increasing crime is what? "Now johnny, you don't go around selling drugs, shooting people,raping, car jacking, burglarizing and mugging. DON'T DO IT AGAIN. Here, take these free tickets to Disney, and only come back when you are sure you have stopped this anti-social behavior."

EMPIREsaid:

Here's a humane solution for the death penalty: Don't do it. As humane and civilized as it can possibly get. And while you're at it, lock up the REALLY dangerous one is psychiatric facilities, and then treat the rest of the prison population as human beings, so once they pay their debt to society, they may have an opportunity to be reintegrated and live a, as normal as possible, life.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I hate having my government waste money in incarceration, if the only thing it's going to do is turn an already troubled person into an even bigger anti-social one, who is just going to commit more crimes and end up in jail again.

I digress... but... I had to.

EMPIREsays...

I make no alogies for saying that was one of the most absurd, idiotic, and downright stupid logical jumps i have ever seen. Because obviously between incarcerating people like cattle, in shitty conditions, under constant threat from others, with a constant contact with violence; and giving criminals tickets to disneyland, and stern talks to; there' absolutely NO middle ground. Good one. Keep practicing....

A10anissaid:

You say; "I don't know about the rest of you, but I hate having my government waste money on incarceration, if the only thing it's going to do is turn an already troubled person into an even bigger anti-social one."

I make no apology for saying that is one of the stupidest comments I have had the misfortune to read. Your "solution" to ever increasing crime is what? "Now johnny, you don't go around selling drugs, shooting people,raping, car jacking, burglarizing and mugging. DON'T DO IT AGAIN. Here, take these free tickets to Disney, and only come back when you are sure you have stopped this anti-social behavior."

Bucksays...

With the amount of inocent people who have been killed by the government I cannot fathom why anyone would want such a system. You likely can never be 100% sure of guilt. The government Killing an innocent person is a horror to terrible to contemplate.

Personally if someone killed my family I'd want them dead, but if that system means 1 person who is innocent has to die I could not support it.

gwiz665says...

I'm actually not 100 % against the death penalty, but it's a hard nut to crack in any case. I think there are crimes so heinous that you can forfeit your continued existence, where the line goes - that's the hard part.

I would also add that it has to be very very certain that the person did it for capital punishment even to be considered. If there is even the slightest doubt, even where a court would still convict, then capital punishment would need to be out of the question, because it's such a severe sentence.

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