>> ^MycroftHomlz:

How do you mean? The Miessner effect is purely quantum mechanical, in that, there is no classical mechanics analog for this behavior. And you need wave functions to explain the physics at all. If you want to understand it you can read Yip and Sauls paper...
>> ^westy:
No more or less Quantum than anything else



My point was that ultimately everything is quantum.

This only seems more Quantum on the face of it because its a counter intuitive behivoir at a human scale.

I think there could probably be a better way to describe it such as "magnetic Super conductor Wipe out" , "Magnetic levitation wipe out " , " super conductor levitation track" in this case the word quantum just seems to be used as gimmic / buzz word.

Still if it gets people to read into science and makes them exited about it cnt really complane

How do you mean? The Miessner effect is purely quantum mechanical, in that, there is no classical mechanics analog for this behavior. And you need wave functions to explain the physics at all. If you want to understand it you can read Yip and Sauls paper...
>> ^westy:

No more or less Quantum than anything else

You know it's getting bad for hardcore right wingers when they're coming up with ridiculous, incomprehensible names like "TrogLibDytes". Are those liberal followers of the almighty Trogdor, who looks to spread burnination among all peasants and their thatch-roof cottages?

Or is that a typo for "ProgLibDytes", which is similar, but with less majesty?

I can't tell anymore. You should just keep the name calling to terms like "Communist" and "Socialist". It's easier for people without a brain to follow you.

As for obsessing over one economic statistic, which economic statistics should we be focusing on? Unemployment rate? Which one is going to paint the economy the way you want it to be, not for how it is. You can't just pretend severe economic inequality doesn't exist just because the policies you favor led to it.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

Sigh.
ProgLibDytes really need to get over thier obsession with the GINI index, which was created by a fascist as a trick to gin up the sheeple masses. The whole "Income Gap" is just a new label to a decades old fascist propoganda tool. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together sees such naked hate-mongering exactly for what it is. Obsessing over a single economic statistic is like using one pixel in a 24,000,000 pixel image to describe a whole thing.
People like Cunk and all the TrogLibDyte acolytes that slurp down all his verbal diarrhea love to talk about nothing but the income gap because it is one of the rare few economic stats (out of thousands) that strikes a chord with the masses who are ignorant of real economics. Same motive as the reason the fascists created the GINI index. Get people mad at a small target and they are easy to manipulate. Hows it feel, ProgLibDytes, knowing that you are so easily suckered in by the same tricks used by the Nazis? Obama's mentor - Saul Alinsky - would be proud as he literally wrote the book on methods for flim-flamming the slow and the stupid. Change one word in his rant, and you can't tell the difference betwen Cunk and Gobbels.

Sigh.

ProgLibDytes really need to get over thier obsession with the GINI index, which was created by a fascist as a trick to gin up the sheeple masses. The whole "Income Gap" is just a new label to a decades old fascist propoganda tool. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together sees such naked hate-mongering exactly for what it is. Obsessing over a single economic statistic is like using one pixel in a 24,000,000 pixel image to describe a whole thing.

People like Cunk and all the TrogLibDyte acolytes that slurp down all his verbal diarrhea love to talk about nothing but the income gap because it is one of the rare few economic stats (out of thousands) that strikes a chord with the masses who are ignorant of real economics. Same motive as the reason the fascists created the GINI index. Get people mad at a small target and they are easy to manipulate. Hows it feel, ProgLibDytes, knowing that you are so easily suckered in by the same tricks used by the Nazis? Obama's mentor - Saul Alinsky - would be proud as he literally wrote the book on methods for flim-flamming the slow and the stupid. Change one word in his rant, and you can't tell the difference betwen Cunk and Gobbels.

So you are saying Hitler contradicts himself constantly in his own book (if that's where your quotes came from, since most of them only site page numbers and not the source) much like the Bible? Sorry not buying it.

>> ^shinyblurry:

That's what we call propaganda. This is what Hitler really thought:
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
Hitler on propaganda:
"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)


>> ^Duckman33:
We can't explain how the tides work? You can't be serious.
Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
I can post more if you're still not convinced.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Well, we can't explain that.
The reply:
Bennett is completely correct. It’s an important conceptual point, and we blew it.
As far as the Holocaust goes, I wasn't originally intending to pin it on anyone, but since the topic has surfaced, Hitler may have claimed in his propaganda to be Christian, but his statements to the nazi party tells a much different story:
27th February, 1942, midday
"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)
Doesn't sound like a Christian to me..
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Although there is no proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, you accept it on faith that it will.
IE, the holocaust.

That's what we call propaganda. This is what Hitler really thought:

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)


21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

Hitler on propaganda:

"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)





>> ^Duckman33:
We can't explain how the tides work? You can't be serious.
Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
"Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)
"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people." -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)
“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
I can post more if you're still not convinced.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Well, we can't explain that.
The reply:
Bennett is completely correct. It’s an important conceptual point, and we blew it.
As far as the Holocaust goes, I wasn't originally intending to pin it on anyone, but since the topic has surfaced, Hitler may have claimed in his propaganda to be Christian, but his statements to the nazi party tells a much different story:
27th February, 1942, midday
"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)
Doesn't sound like a Christian to me..
>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^shinyblurry:
Although there is no proof that the sun will rise tomorrow, you accept it on faith that it will.
IE, the holocaust.

Saul of Tarsus--The original--"If you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

At my last job I swear to fucking god or space juice that Saul Rosenberg called me! It could not have been faked by someone else because it was so professionally done. I immediately recognized the voice and knew a joke was in the pipeline. He asked me if I could print a face on rubber. So you know, he could have his face on a rubber as his fucked someone in the ass. Haha. I mean I was laughing way ahead of the joke so he knew he failed from the start. I forget how it was delivered. I even said, "So long sweety *tits*" and hung up the phone.

I skimmed through to avoid depression,... ending up going straight to the jams...

... kind of a 'Saul Williams' meets 'Explosions in the Sky' there at the end... not bad, when completely divorced from context

"freedom!freedom!freedom!freedom!..."

Demented?

I'm not pretending to know the mind of Gurbles, friend.

Disinformation, obfuscation and aggression might seem like a good idea in a right wing 'ends justify means' kind of way.

If you want to know where the left gets it tactics, find Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. It's the blueprint or our community organizing telepromptesident and Hillary.

Left, you care about equality--your brand of equality--at the expense of truth. That is why you deserve to fail at all times.



>> ^cosmovitelli:

"For all I know, I'm the only "resistance" you meet all day to liberal brainwashing. How 'bout a hug?"
Well I FINALLY understand what powers QM's demented nonsense. And it could have been worse.
But QM - Goebbels honestly thought he was trying to help. Disinformation, obfuscation and aggression might seem like a good idea in a right wing 'ends justify means' kind of way.
But it really does make you the villain. Sorry.

Oddly, I'd love to hear Eminem doing a cover of this.

She has a style kinda like Saul Williams, except slower paced. And much whiter.

So what makes you think that Beck and others on the Right are the only shills, but Al "I-invented-the-internet" Gore is sincere in his desire to "save" an earth that doesn't need saving, and not just make billions off of his "carbon credit" scam?

The left still loves Bill Clinton because he (and Gore) supposedly stand up for 'the little guy.' But behind closed doors, when Bill's own little guy stood up, he threatened to fire women that didn't "kiss it". You would think equality-minded leftists would be repulsed by such vulgar displays of power BUT NO.

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, aka Obama's and Hillary's life instruction manual, teaches how to...heckle and talk sh1t.

Different wings, same turkey.

>> ^VoodooV:

Tucker IMO, is another one of those douche bags like Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck who is smart enough to know that a lot of the right wing drivel is BS. They're just simply paid to pander to the base so pandering to the base is what they will do. Beck is a former DJ after all. He's just being paid to say a lot of shit. He was railing against the health care system too before his masters told him to blast the Democrat Health Care system.
They're just paid hit men. It's people like Palin who are the true believers that you need to worry about. (either that or she's the greatest actresses of all time)
Seriously, if someone paid you a butt load of money to heckle people and talk shit, you wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it.
I'm not saying they don't deserve what they get, however.

You're not going to win converts by calling people communists.

Perhaps not, but I call it like I see it. There's no sense tip-toeing around peeps out to radically change America into fading europe via saul alinsky tactics.

I think perhaps you missed what was ironic about your comment. As far as I see it, the only reason you come here is to tell people they're idiots for not being conservatives.

What about cat videos? I rather believe I'm pointing out the follies of the left rather than singling out any particular sifter. Really dudes, do you think *I* am such a threat? The primary sifter demographic is left-wing militant atheists between ages 18 and 28. I harbor no illusions about the sift.

Granted, a lot of times you don't actually call people morons, just socialists, fascists, communists, marxists, bolsheviks, etc.

Well, writing 'Statist' all the time gets old, but that's really what we're talking about when we say "Progressive", isn't it? One who believes in social engineering via the State, at the low, low cost of individual liberty.

The thing is, I've just flat out never seen you try to treat anyone to your left with an ounce of respect.

I've had some fair discussions now and again with left-leaning sifters. The door is always open if peeps want to continue the discussion, but it's always going to be the same go-around. But it's OK to agree to disagree.

You don't have any when it comes to nationally known politicians and opinion makers, nor do you have any when it comes to the people here on Videosift.

Any popular politician or opinionist knows they're not going to be loved by everyone, nor do the smart ones much care. If you think I'm being too hard on maddow, stewart, franken, et al then take solace I find similar "arguments" against Limbaugh (drug addict!) or Palin (retarded) quite lame.

I'm sorry your personal experience wasn't up to snuff. Without looking at any past posts, I recall you as being somewhat hostile as well.

When you start the conversation with the kinds of hostility you often level at people here, they don't listen, they just shut down and get defensive.

I can't help it if they take things personally, and may I add this "charge" seems rather suspicious. Usually the "target" is in the video itself (olberman, maddow, maher, etc.) NOT other sifters.

This post wasn't meant to convince anyone of anything, just more of an outburst of exasperation and frustration, which is always a little more satisfying when done within earshot of other people.

Well, even in this thread I think I've made some good points (see Morgenthau above) and I'm not really around much these days. You've got a freakin' CROWN next to your handle and plenty of homies.

These are, unfortunately, interesting times. America remains a right-of-center nation with a 90% religious population. "Atheisift" (or "liberalsift") should welcome a little controversy.

If this will make you feel better:

A;;L ARE WRONG BUT THE RIGHWING! JE$U$ IS AMERICAN REPUBLICAN. WORSHP JE$U$!

Oh, you mean the Tea Baggers? I think they brought that on themselves.

http://videosift.com/search?q=tea+party+dummy

>> ^quantumushroom:

...it's a manipulation of reality to send a false message that protesters are somehow like terrorists.
Like obamarx and his in-the-tank libmedia drones using saul alinksy tactics to defame the Tea Party Movement.

...it's a manipulation of reality to send a false message that protesters are somehow like terrorists.

Like obamarx and his in-the-tank libmedia drones using saul alinksy tactics to defame the Tea Party Movement.