Key findings from the Business Roundtables commissioned report.
http://www.businessroundtable.org/healthstudy/?gclid=CKXyqJK80Z0CFShSagodGjqdrw

The actual report from Hewitt Associates
http://www.businessroundtable.org/sites/default/files/BRT_Hewitt_HC%20Reform%20Report_Sept2009_FinalONLINE.pdf

I gotta agree with Ron on this, but it's nice to see some real back and forth. I just wish we could get some real debate instead of some 5 min talking points roundtable on Larry King or something. Interesting notes I've heard but never see discussed:

* Given a single payer system: How will preventative medicine work in principal? If person A begins smoking and gets lung cancer, does that person get the same deal as everyone else? Or more likely, if person A is obese and as a result has to have more treatments for a particular problem, does that give the government or the people paying the right to decide what he can and can't eat? Just thinking. (Following along with the ban of Trans-fats, and the talk about a soda tax)

* With the close ties of the healthcare cos and the government now, what incentive would they have to sever the relationship? A million in campaign funds pre-single payer is the same as a million post-single payer. This is what I've heard some people refer to as the rise of Medical Industrial Complex(An obvious play off the old Military Industrial Complex term).

* Why isn't closer examination given to US healthcare pre-HMOs? I might be missing something, but this didn't seem to be a hot button issue in the 10's, 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's?

* Why is the term 'insurance' used so incorrectly? If I used the term fire insurance the way some are using health insurance, people would start looking at me funny. The catastrophic-centric part seems neglected and now it covers everything from a skinned knee to a tumor. Can we give it a new name or something to differentiate? Maybe just use health care?

* Assuming the GAO's analysis that the US government is effectively broke, and social security is essentially a ponzi scheme, how does that factor in to the debate? Or put generally, given the last 8 years of Bush (including a Patriot Act, 9/11 & Katrina), what evidence is there that any major new system will be run any better and cost any less?

* Following along with the post about laws changing to define rights: If we have a framework to change the laws, and the right to healthcare is HUGE change, why isn't an official constitutional amendment being put forth that makes the responsibilities clear? Seems that if we could draft something as dumb as 'no alcohol', something can be proposed in regards to healthcare.

Just thinking out loud here. I have lots more questions (including the role of States) if anybody is still awake at this point

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>> ^MrFisk:
Ability to read comments without going to the single video page.


just click on comments, no?

>> ^dag:
Radical? What makes you think we'd do something radical?

I think it's the mustache you've grown.

Nah... other than the letters, enter, shift, space, backspace and tab, the rest are ignored.

pause/break..prtsc/sysrq, all the F buttons...? waste of space on my key pad

That page up and down button turns out to be pretty handy!

>> ^blankfist:
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Swampie, it's painfully obvious if a button is marked with the words "home" and "end" then they must be for scrolling webpages, right? RIGHT?!

>> ^swampgirl:
Wow, those buttons have a function!?!
>> ^EDD:
^ Try using the Home and End buttons on your keyboard, swampgirl.
Or, if you've got a Mac, and it doesn't work/there are no buttons like those, then, well... That's Apple for you. By the way, is it still impossible to recover a single file from the Trash Bin in Mac OSX? Oh yeah, I'm Apple's biggest fan.



Swampie, it's painfully obvious if a button is marked with the words "home" and "end" then they must be for scrolling webpages, right? RIGHT?!

Wow, those buttons have a function!?!

>> ^EDD:
^ Try using the Home and End buttons on your keyboard, swampgirl.
Or, if you've got a Mac, and it doesn't work/there are no buttons like those, then, well... That's Apple for you. By the way, is it still impossible to recover a single file from the Trash Bin in Mac OSX? Oh yeah, I'm Apple's biggest fan.

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You can do that using the home and end keys on your keyboard. (windows only though)

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I'd like to be able to jump to the top or bottom of the page quickly instead of scroooolling up and down these long threads

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>> ^Sarzy:
2) Eliminate the ability to for anyone above a certain level to discard someone else's videos / sift talk posts. This feature is so ripe for abuse, it's ridiculous. And why do we need it? It used to be helpful to discard dupes, but with the dupeof command that's become unnecessary. The only possible use I can think of for it now is to discard the video of a banned, self-linking member in order to clean up the sift talk page. However this can easily be done by an admin, or perhaps a select few trustworthy individuals assigned this power.


The discard invocation is still good for getting rid of cluttering ST posts. If a new member asks a question in an ST post and gets it answered, there's no need for that ST post to hang around.

Also, I've never seen nesting that wasn't cluttering or that didn't throw a brick into the gears of thread flow.Every time someone posts a comment that nests, it gets indented. Then it has to break off in shorter lines to go down in increasingly narrower fields.

Also, no matter what happens, NEVER allow signatures. Never allow animated gifs in comments. Don't allow shiney badges next to avatars. Don't allow animated avatars.

In other words, keep comments EXACTLY like they are. It's very simple, un-cluttered and flows smoothly.