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U.S.A. to disappear in 50 years, predicts Paul Saffo

NetRunner says...

>> ^quantumushroom:
Fast forward 100 years. Nanotech and robotics will likely make virtually every product, good and service affordable worldwide...free peoples working in free markets will be the fastest path to that goal, not nanny-state governments, theocracies or monarchies.


Now that's interesting. When we reach that state will we then have, as chilaxe put it, our natural socialist utopia?

U.S.A. to disappear in 50 years, predicts Paul Saffo

quantumushroom says...

Have you ever considered that plutocratic, kleptocratic, oligarchic, oiligarchic, fascist, technocratic "money" is a social construction to restrict the people's inherent right to 21st century medicine, information techology, and other fruits of...our natural socialist utopia?

Short answer: no.

Expanded answer: People in free societies nor anyone else have a natural "right" to take goods and services created by others without fair, agreed-upon terms of compensation. Karl Marx thought that profits were invented by greedy capitalists and therefore unnecessary to run a viable economic system. He was wrong.

Succinctly: There is no free lunch.

Fast forward 100 years. Nanotech and robotics will likely make virtually every product, good and service affordable worldwide...free peoples working in free markets will be the fastest path to that goal, not nanny-state governments, theocracies or monarchies.

Coiling a cerebral aneurysm

Future Desktop Appliance Makes Products On A Molecular Level

Welcoming the Troops home. One Man, Thousands of Troops

choggie says...

hell man, can you blame Jersey??? Don't expect any fundamental human niceties from Jersey....seems that most of the folks that would hold responsible a soldier for their decision to join the US army, don't know the nature of the machine anyhow and live in fantastic tunnel reality paradigms that have nothing to do with the world of the now-We have always (the masses) had the power to end the bullshit, but most would no more share in the responsibility of the sorry state of world affairs than settle for anything but full cream in their lattes....

Stop the machine for a week by non-participation in commerce, transportation, credit, etc, then follow it up with a unified protest and demands....this is the only thing that has a hope for change-


A good few years of extreme natural disaster would accomplish much as well.....a bit of world panic from without would have a great effect on the collective psyche, and usually tends to bring out the best and the worst in monkeys-wees way overdue for some real change....How about we launch Obama from a catapult???

Of course....some might argue that the flip-side of the current paradigm's machine with all it's inequality, greed, and warmongering, is that it got us here, past the industrial rev, past atomic energy, at the doorstep of nanotech and beyond.....

Human nature being what it predictably bees, it will all end quite horribly is this man's guess.....

Parallel Universes DO Exist. I kid you not.

drattus says...

>> ^coupland:
Stephen Hawking must be rolling over in his grave...


I doubt it, if for no other reason than he's still alive.

The vid didn't bother me any but I don't have to take every point as proved, it's more the possibilities and questions that I love. Years ago when I first discussed nanotech with people most thought it some combination between sci-fi and a scam, these days most take it for granted that it's not only real but coming up on us fast. I still have my doubts about some of the particulars such as them ever letting us have anything like a desktop manufacturer, but in a broad brush sense it was worth the time even for the parts that were wrong. It made us think about the possibilities and get used to the idea.

I'd agree that the vid seemed disjointed and skipped from topic to topic without much explanation, didn't cover any in the depth needed to understand much, but if for no other reason it deserves a home in the science channel for the debate it sparked. Anyone interested now has the Copenhagen interpretation, many-worlds interpretation, quantum entanglement, wave-particle duality suggested by sineral and other suggestions for research from others. We aren't going to solve the worlds problems from here anyway. But if it makes us think and even ask some questions we're doing more than most are with their spare time.

"Biblical Science" or Science?

choggie says...

Not really a reasonable worry, those creationists being in charge-ain't gonna lose sleep over it-a greater concern is some creation of science in the hands of a single person or group.....nanotech could take it to that sort of brink-

Man's problem is not the understanding or the quantification of the experiential world, is it?? But at this point in the game, suppose it's possible some majority or confederacy of fundamentalist go-getters, could take us backward to more blissfully ignorant times....

I fer one would hate to give up the indoor plumbing again, jeez!!!

Michael J. Fox Makes Stem Cell Plea

Feynman and Nanotechnology (VRL) (Documentaries Talk Post)

choggie says...

Yes, very cool Jeff, very cool. Damn he wrote a buncha books- I read 3 about him, only one by him.....20 years ago....jeez!-(me feeling crusty)

So the best of these as far as I am concerned is The Center for Responsible Nanotech-What you can be assured of, is that when the production of the raw materials facilitates the changes tantamount to the splitting of the sacred atom earlier last century, the paradigm will be the same, and the military will (already) have the keys to the kingdom-As always, the threat of power in the hands of the one, will be the rub. Will we spiral into oblivion as a race, when we are able to transform a soup of matter into complex tangibles with a thought, or will we see the futility of need, desire, and control, and use those little robot dingles, to give the planet the house cleaning it needs, to take us to the next, and the next levels of awareness? The safe bet is total annihilation....I see it already happening, cause as always, the shit we are allowed to know about, is usually 30 years behind technology.

nazdorovia (Member Profile)

Fedquip says...

Thanks for these, I'm glad you like the idea, I'll have more info about it posted in documentary talk soon.

Cheers

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Anyone else think it was cool that Feynman was credited as a drummer?

In the video, the narrator mentions There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom, the talk in which Feynman asks "Why cannot we write the entire 24 volumes of the Encyclopedia Brittanica on the head of a pin?" You can find the transcript of that talk here: http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/feynman.html

In addition, there's some extra information and a long list of recommended books, cds, video clips, etc. here: http://amasci.com/feynman.html

Some articles about practical applications of nanotechnology:
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=116811&fuseaction=topics.event_summary&event_id=216016#
http://www.cheresources.com/nanotech1.shtml

I *really* like this idea.

Feynman and Nanotechnology

nazdorovia says...

Anyone else think it was cool that Feynman was credited as a drummer?

In the video, the narrator mentions There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom, the talk in which Feynman asks "Why cannot we write the entire 24 volumes of the Encyclopedia Brittanica on the head of a pin?" You can find the transcript of that talk here: http://www.zyvex.com/nanotech/feynman.html

In addition, there's some extra information and a long list of recommended books, cds, video clips, etc. here: http://amasci.com/feynman.html

Some articles about practical applications of nanotechnology:
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?topic_id=116811&fuseaction=topics.event_summary&event_id=216016#
http://www.cheresources.com/nanotech1.shtml

I *really* like this idea.

Video Researchers League - Beta (Documentaries Talk Post)

"When Things Get Small" - Nanomagnets

choggie says...

Delivery mechanisms are a motherfucker, huh??? Put another way, nanotech is much farther beyond what they give us to see, and count on what is seen here as baby steps that happened, 30 years ago.........smaller the better, still, for the few....


Future of Civilization

choggie says...

Money, is part of the current paradigm's modus...as is the use of natural resources for power-
As soon as we harness the energies around us that we can use for power, there will be no need for money, power will be readily available for creating the climate for research which will take us there.....

Some believe we have already developed technologies that will give the world free energy, but that a few and powerful keep the knowledge for them and theirs....

Not so strange when you follow the money trails in the world........Changing an administration or system of control in a linear fashion, (i.e. what the world does now), will do nothing for exponential progress......it is what makes one cringe with the realization that domesticated primates are unconscious and developmentally disabled for the most part, and easily led.....

a revolution, however, is a catalyst for both change, and consciousness raising.....bit of pain and suffering to go through, but turn on the TV and ask yourself, "How much pain and suffering can one stand, without having to have a transfusion?"

Can't wait for the next wave of discovery, m'self....Has to be as big an effect as splitting the atom.....Nanotech, perhaps.....

Give me the string on that curtain, but not the keys and the synchronized switches....the bunker is not finished yet....

The Carbon Butterfly -- ultra-lightweight indoor RC airplane

choggie says...

need this, with the rc helicopter companion, for living room dogfights......The future of fun: Nanotech and Flying Toys

rc jumpjets, coming soon.....

how about a whole line of flting insect toys, wait, better yet, Insect Mind Control Toys....MUMUHHAHahha!



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