>> ^deathcow:

Who is that woman?


Nigella Lawson; British chef who has been called "the queen of food porn" in reference to her flirtatious manner.

You have been awarded 1 Power Point for fixing the embed code for Dead Pool video Muse/Marilyn Manson Mash-Up - Uprising vs Beautiful People. Thank you for helping maintain VideoSift's reliability.

I swear I saw some Marilyn Manson pics in there.

@Drachen_Jager, ah you have been the perfect intellectual gentleman indeed, while I've been all over with my crazy analogies. Hey, I'm just glad you narrowed it down to Sweden.

It's never enough that history is littered with examples of socialist countries just plain failing, Sweden and other Scandinavian countries (including Finland, sorry Ryjkyj!) have to be touted as examples of socialism's success, when they're mostly cases of countries that achieve moderate success *despite* socialism because they just happen to not be as socialist as liberals claim they are. They were the worst in their history when they were the most socialist, and Sweden has since moved away gradually towards capitalism and experienced growth as a result.
http://www.thewelfarestatewerein.com/education/2011/07/sweden-is-not-marilyn-munroe.php

I think that's partly the point, only it takes a while, and many intermediate steps.

As Marilyn Manson - paraphrasing Milton's Satan - sings: it's a long hard road, out of hell...


>> ^bareboards2:

[...] I would love to get to the place where we don't have to talk about it. It just is.

@mas8705 -- bonus diamond congrats, with Marilyn in THAT pink dress, to celebrate.

I'm sorry Taylor, Imma let you finish but Marilyn's video "Seven Year Itch" was better.

His response is from an interview with Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine.

http://videosift.com/video/Marilyn-Manson-in-Bowling-for-Columbine

Marilyn Manson wrote a song about this day in Charlie's life a long time ago already. How did go? Oh yeah,

"I don't like the drugs but the drugs like me."

>> ^RFlagg:

Attitudes like this is perhaps part of the reason the US is down at number 20 in the Press Freedom Index... but I agree, we need more context, what did she say after that and how did the crowd react to it. If this is more or less the full context...then wow, she may be worse than I thought, and I thought she was pretty bad.


Since it's from Media Matters I would think the context would give you the same impression. They almost never fuck-up (especially when it comes down to evaporating a long comment into it's distilled meaning), when they do fuck-up it's a "look-up" fact that is wrong.

Anyway, I think Ann Coulter is best described as being Ayn Rand's and Dick Cheney's love child with Marilyn Manson's makeup people. Every-time I see her talk(s), it eventually feels like I'm looking at the event horizon for a black hole.

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Some people say Marilyn Manson told him to do it while playing Grand Theft Auto.

@WKB

True, but when the Columbine school shooting was perpetrated, conservatives were quick to point the finger at Marilyn Manson's lyrics. I'm not saying they were right, and I'm not saying that Fox deserves all of the blame here either.

I do think though, that the people pumping that kind of rhetoric onto the airwaves deserve SOME responsibility for atrocities like this. Allow me to compare the Woodstock of 1970 to the Woodstock of '99 for an example.

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>>>>>>The 1970 Woodstock (billed as "3 days of Peace and Music") resulted in reports like this:

"The New York Times covered the prelude to the festival and the move from Wallkill to Bethel.[13] Barnard Collier, who reported from the event for the Times, asserts that he was pressured by on-duty editors at the paper to write a misleadingly negative article about the event. According to Collier, this led to acrimonious discussions and his threat to refuse to write the article until the paper's executive editor, James Reston, agreed to let him write the article as he saw fit. The eventual article dealt with issues of traffic jams and minor lawbreaking, but went on to emphasize cooperation, generosity, and the good nature of the festival goers.

When the festival was over, Collier wrote another article about the exodus of fans from the festival site and the lack of violence at the event. The chief medical officer for the event and several local residents were quoted as praising the festival goers."

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>>>>>>The 1999 version of the event (featuring bands like Metallica, Rage Against the Machine, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock and the Red Hot Chili Peppers who are all, dare I say, a bit angrier [lyrically speaking] than the likes of Arlo Guthrie or Joan Baez) is painted in a much different color:

"Some crowd violence and looting was reported during the Saturday night performance by Limp Bizkit, including a rendition of the song "Break Stuff". Reviewers of the concert criticized Limp Bizkit frontman Fred Durst as "irresponsible" for encouraging the crowd to destructive behavior.

Violence escalated the next night during the final hours of the concert as Red Hot Chili Peppers performed. A group of peace promoters led by an independent group called Pax had distributed candles to those stopping at their booth during the day, intending them for a candlelight vigil to be held during the Red Hot Chili Peppers' performance of the song "Under the Bridge". During the band's set, the crowd began to light the candles, some also using them to start bonfires. The hundreds of empty plastic water bottles that littered the lawn/dance area were used as fuel for the fire.

After the Red Hot Chili Peppers were finished with their main set, the audience was informed about "a bit of a problem." An audio tower caught fire, and the fire department was called in to extinguish it.

Back onstage for an encore, the Chili Peppers' lead singer Anthony Kiedis remarked how amazing the fires looked from the stage, comparing them to a scene in the film Apocalypse Now.[12] The band proceeded to play "Sir Psycho Sexy", followed by their rendition of Jimi Hendrix's "Fire". Kiedis later stated in his autobiography, Scar Tissue that Jimi Hendrix's sister had asked the Chili Peppers to play "Fire" in honor of Jimi and his performance at the original Woodstock festival, and that they were not playing it to encourage the crowd.

Many large bonfires were burning high before the band left the stage for the last time. Participants danced in circles around the fires. Looking for more fuel, some tore off panels of plywood from the supposedly inviolable security perimeter fence. ATMs were tipped over and broken into, trailers full of merchandise and equipment were forced open and burglarized, and abandoned vendor booths were turned over, and set afire.[13]

MTV, which had been providing live coverage, removed its entire crew. MTV host Kurt Loder described the scene in the July 27, 1999 issue of USA Today:

"It was dangerous to be around. The whole scene was scary. There were just waves of hatred bouncing around the place, (...) It was clear we had to get out of there.... It was like a concentration camp. To get in, you get frisked to make sure you're not bringing in any water or food that would prevent you from buying from their outrageously priced booths. You wallow around in garbage and human waste. There was a palpable mood of anger."

After some time, a large force of New York State Troopers, local police, and various other law enforcement arrived. Most had crowd control gear and proceeded to form a riot-line that flushed the crowd to the northwest, away from the stage located at the eastern end of the airfield. Few of the crowd offered strong resistance and they dispersed quickly back toward the campground and out the main entrance."

>>>>>>See also, this poignant response from a person in the crowd: http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/08/17/woodstock-legacy/ (crowdmember comments @ 2:20)

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Now now easy there big fella, before you start telling me about how correlation does not imply causation consider this: an article recently published by the American Journal of Psychiatry concluded that:

"Childhood exposure to parental verbal aggression was associated, by itself, with moderate to large effects on measures of dissociation, limbic irritability, depression, and anger-hostility." Furthermore, "Combined exposure to verbal abuse and witnessing of domestic violence was associated with extraordinarily large adverse effects, particularly on dissociation. This finding is consonant with studies that suggest that emotional abuse may be a more important precursor of dissociation than is sexual abuse."
See: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/163/6/993

Maybe not the best example I could have found but I've already spent WAY too much time on this post. The point is, WORDS carry a lot of power. Even if the pundits (right OR left) never came out and said it, the implication of violence was certainly there at times.

I KNOW Fox has lead the charge of fear mongering in the name of ratings but anyone else who subscribed to that level of attack should share some of the blame as well. Again, not saying that they should take all or even a lot of the blame, but they should be responsible for the violent laced rhetoric they spout.

I say STOP THE AD HOMINEM ATTACKS and we'll see less violence against PEOPLE and (hopefully) more enthralling arguments where the IDEAS are being attacked (which I'm all for) :-)

p.s. sry for the huge post but i was on a roll

I am not calling for Palins head, nor anyone else's. The fact is though that while there are crazy people in this world, and crazy people will always do crazy things, public speeches encouraging revolution and violence (even if it is indirectly) create an environment in which these people have a much easier time rationalizing such things. Even non-crazy people who are just fed up and getting angrier and angrier at what they are being told repeatedly is the tyrannical takeover of their country will eventually reach the point where violent lashing out seems the only alternative.

This doesnt mean everything has to become all "PC" or whatever, thats just another swing in the extremist direction.
>> ^xxovercastxx:

I'd expect a phrase like "society failed this man" would resonate with a bunch of liberals and, instead, you all go off hunting the arctic dodo.
Ultimately, I'm not so gung-ho on following the blame trail. Jared Lee Loughner did this and Palin is no more responsible for his actions than John Romero and Marilyn Manson are for the actions of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
Palin makes a lot of comments in poor taste (not to mention poor grammar, poor spelling, and poor intelligence) but it's not possible to speak in a way that's guaranteed not to set off someone who is completely detached from reality.
Calling for Palin's head is the same sort of fear-mongering the Republicans are making a living off of right now and all you hypocrites don't seem to agree a whole lot with them when they do it.