Woke up at 4 am today to the news that atleast 80 young people where shot dead on Utøya. The guy was walking around on an island with 600 kids and young people in tents aged 15-25 in a police uniform. One girl on the radio minutes ago : "I looked out the window and saw a man who was shooting at girls lying on the ground.." Apparantly he used his policeuniform to maximize the killing, frightened kids who where hiding from the gunman, was lured out by the "policeman" and then excecuted in cold blood.

This was one sick fuck.

The police just gave an update:

A right wing extremist placed a huge bomb in oslo outside the government hq, killing at least 7.
He then went to the governemtn partys youth camp (with 500+ teenagers), and killed atleast 80 people.
He was dressed as a cop, and tried to lure some teenagers to him claiming he had important information and then executed them. Before he went from tent to tent and hunted the rest.

So all in all there's probably over 90 killed, many of them teenagers, many of them shot infront of their friends.

Unfortunately when the news came out, there was a lot of hatred against muslims (including a friend I was gaming with, whom I tried to reason with before it was known that it was a norwegian), and people of non-norwegian descent got called some unfair names at them.
I think it's important that people focus on the tragedy, and stop trying to play the blame game. People has died, *MANY* parents have lost their teenage son/daughter today, all because of one guys strong beliefs.

Bringing more hatred to the table will not make anything better.

Damn, here I was thinking I could lure you into un-pqueuing this...

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^hpqp:
I'm afraid so. On the bright side, I hear @blankfist is willing to open his relationship with @kronosposeidon...
>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
I love Sondheim and Bernadette. Does that make me gay?


What's left to open. We've already fucked. Hard. And plenty.

@TheJehosephat @Trancecoach

The point is not that he couldn't sell online, that is not his passion, the actual sale is not the core of why he does it. Perhaps re-watch the video or just the last line "come find me, and I'm yours", he'd be just as happy if you purchased nothing.

@artician

I think you've over-dramatised how he actually is. The man is quite humble and isn't claiming to be some crusader of saving books. He was trying to find a way to keep doing what he loves when rent got too high, that's about it, he doesn't have any glorified view of it as you're making it out, he knows he's a hobbyist. The "secrecy" (he tells you how stupidly easy it is to find him) is to appease the law, he's not trying to hide from the "feds" or any such nonsense, he wants everyone to find him.

Also if you put this much effort in to selling video games, you'd garner the same amount of respect and become "The Secret Video Game Shop", it is the dedication and sacrifice that lures people, not your ability to make eBay listings in your underwear.

Original 47 second vid, with lead-in title cards and timeshift footage

http://videosift.com/video/Dont-Mess-with-Buzz

Here's Wiki's coverage of this event:

"Most astronauts have refused to grant him interviews. The most infamous incident involved Apollo 11 crew member Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the moon. According to Aldrin, he was lured to a Beverly Hills hotel under the pretext of an interview on space for a Japanese children's television show. When he arrived, Aldrin claims Sibrel was there demanding that he swear on a Bible that he had walked on the moon.

When Aldrin refused, Sibrel called him a "coward", a "liar", and a "thief".[1] An exasperated Aldrin punched Sibrel in the jaw, which was recorded. Sibrel later attempted to use the tape to convince police and prosecutors that he was the victim of an assault. However, it was decided that Aldrin had been provoked, and (based on Sibrel's unfazed, nearly instant reaction to his camera man) did not actually injure Sibrel, and no charges were filed. Many talk show hosts aired the clip, making Sibrel the butt of jokes.[2] Sibrel said later that he wrote a letter of apology to Aldrin."

This is a parody of the truthers right?

The truthers find what the guy is saying to be just as ludicrous as the rest of us, right?

Sigh.

Fire codes were NOT designed to withstand the full impact of a loaded jet liner and resulting fires. The WTC7 building was NOT subject to a ordinary fire either. The force of the damage caused by the collapse of the other towers left WTC7 lower floors looking "like a bomb had gone off".

I suppose one hopes the truthers embrace this vid though, should reveal their insanity before their prey can get lured any further into the none sense.

I like how the band always matches the speakers' crescendos: all designed to lure those unaccustomed to thinking critically. *lies indeed.

Interesting that the cell phone was the most consistent lure.

On the contrary, I intrinsically understand the arguments being presented here because I used to use many of them myself. I am making an effort to provide answers to everyones objections, yet some of this is hard to take seriously as you might have seen. My belief is that two reasonable people can come to a reasonable conclusion about something, so I'll keep trying. I have noticed people tend to have a filter where they just skip over everything looking for a ripe cherry to pick. I don't do that..I attempt to address someones entire point..it isn't a contest to me. I perceive all of it spiritually, and it's from my heart..I wouldn't bother if I didn't care.


>> ^peggedbea:
i think that probably has more to do with a difference in world view than anything else. nothing you say makes a lot of sense to me, like you seem to be missing the points being made here, and by hitchens in the video. it's a difference in view point. not that everyone else is full of "hot air." but their world and out look is completely different. 2 different wavelengths.
it's like how when sarah palin talks, i don't hear anything.. but millions of people do hear something. and they profoundly relate to it. i think the differences in peoples points of view account for a pretty big portion of misunderstandings.
btw, i read all comment threads from bottom to top.>> ^shinyblurry:
I've seen no atheists, and I mean zero, who have a comprehensive understanding of what's in the bible, how it all interrelates, could construct a theological argument or debunk it on theological terms, or apply its meaning. This includes the famous atheists debators. Most of them are extremely poor scholars. They have their incindiary talking points which lure in the easily misled, but other than hot air, there isn't much else.

i think that probably has more to do with a difference in world view than anything else. nothing you say makes a lot of sense to me, like you seem to be missing the points being made here, and by hitchens in the video. it's a difference in view point. not that everyone else is full of "hot air." but their world and out look is completely different. 2 different wavelengths.

it's like how when sarah palin talks, i don't hear anything.. but millions of people do hear something. and they profoundly relate to it. i think the differences in peoples points of view account for a pretty big portion of misunderstandings.


btw, i read all comment threads from bottom to top.>> ^shinyblurry:

I've seen no atheists, and I mean zero, who have a comprehensive understanding of what's in the bible, how it all interrelates, could construct a theological argument or debunk it on theological terms, or apply its meaning. This includes the famous atheists debators. Most of them are extremely poor scholars. They have their incindiary talking points which lure in the easily misled, but other than hot air, there isn't much else.

What's always amazing to me is that someone could look at a HUGE page full of evidence against..pick out one thing that supports their view, and then discard everything else. Anyway, this doesn't help your case at all, it actually continues to disprove your theory that bible is unreliable. I will concede that some translations of the bible contain errors, or "emotional baggage." But again, it's really not a problem because we have the originals. You can find translations of the originals online or in book stores. So, maybe *you* should read the bible, especially before you critisize it.

As far as your contention about atheists knowing more about religion than the average Christian, in general, I might concede that. You have to remember there are 2 billion Christians in the world..33 percent of the population. That's a big pool to average from To me it just proves how obsessed atheists are over something that they all claim to not care one lick about.

It's amusing to me that there are atheists out there who think more about God than Christians do. However, in general is where the comparison ends. I've seen no atheists, and I mean zero, who have a comprehensive understanding of what's in the bible, how it all interrelates, could construct a theological argument or debunk it on theological terms, or apply its meaning. This includes the famous atheists debators. Most of them are extremely poor scholars. They have their incindiary talking points which lure in the easily misled, but other than hot air, there isn't much else.

>> ^JiggaJonson:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since January 21st, 2011" href="http://videosift.com/member/shinyblurry">shinyblurry from the link you posted to me "At the same time, Ehrman implicitly raises a valid issue. A glance at virtually any English Bible today reveals that the longer ending of Mark and the pericope adulterae are to be found in their usual places. Thus, not only do the KJV and NKJV have these passages (as would be expected), but so do the ASV, RSV, NRSV, NIV, TNIV, NASB, ESV, TEV, NAB, NJB, and NET. Yet the scholars who produced these translations, by and large, do not subscribe to the authenticity of such texts. The reasons are simple enough: they don’t show up in the oldest and best manuscripts and their internal evidence is decidedly against authenticity. Why then are they still in these Bibles?"
Your author goes on to explain that the only reason some passages are kept in the bible at all is not because they are authentic but because of emotional baggage that people have attached to said passages. He even flatly says: "This is not to say that everything Ehrman has written in this book is of that ilk. But these three passages are."
This is HARDLY a "debunk"ing as you suggest. If anything it's a re-affirmation of what I stated before and further proof that the bible is a very fallible text.
I think the real problem here is maybe you aren't even reading the bible/your own sources as I suggested earlier with this link: http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/

I know you enjoy heaping disrespect upon me, but I think it should be fairly obvious that I am not a troll. If you really believed that, why would you be having an extended theological debate with me? Makes you rather foolish, don't you think?

Onto your question, which has me in disbelief that you don't understand..

Like every lie satan tells, it has a half truth to lure the gullible..yes the knowledge of good and evil made them like God in that respect. It also ultimately killed them; satan said it wouldn't happen. He lied. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

He always tried to hide his spoiled brat roots by filming himself out in the wild, sleeping in caves and strolling the mountainous countryside. I guess the lure of running water and warm towels was too great to resist.

http://videosift.com/video/Sexual-Deception-by-Orchid-lures-Wasp-to-mate-with-it

Bugs, baby, bugs.

Why did they have to lure him into the closet to do that? O_o