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Covid Scientist Arrested For Honest Evaluation Of Florida

newtboy says...

It totally agree, @eric3579. Who can be trusted? It's harder to know every day.

My take....
Jones is right about the science, false negatives imply you've never been exposed when you have been, so people believe they cannot transmit the virus when they may in fact be infectious, which can lead to reckless nondistancing behavior and infections because they assume they're "safe"... also even a good (not false) positive antibody test does not mean they have meaningful immunity nor does it mean they aren't infectious as this woman claims. It only means you've developed some detectable antibodies to the virus. Period. Both misconceptions are big concerns. "Which is bigger?" seems like a silly fight.

The problem is, no matter what the test says, people think it means they're safe to be around. A negative test...."I never had it so I can't spread it, gimme a kiss"...a positive test..."I had it but beat it so I'm now immune and can't spread it, gimme a kiss". Neither is correct.

I had the chicken pox twice. If a chicken pox antibody test existed, I would have tested positive after the first round and assumed I couldn't get it or transmit it afterwards, but that would have been wrong even though the results weren't a false positive. Instead, because people suck, my parents and teachers just assumed I was "safe" and sent me to school sick and may have caused an outbreak.

Both of her claims here rely on most people completely misunderstanding what the results really mean, and people completely ignoring the possibility of false results. Sadly that's proper to assume.

Interesting how she puts it, she says Jones wasn't asked to fudge any data, just maybe present it in a way that made Florida's public covid numbers look better in the run up to the election....or another way to say that is she was asked to fudge the data....if I recall she claimed she was instructed to hide large numbers of cases in categories not included in the public presentations with the intent to create a false perception of a major downturn in cases under the "open up and unmask" plan.

Wasn't the "private data" she's accused of handing to the press the unadulterated anonymous covid numbers....not really private as it's public data collected by the government for public health reasons... and not personal data as she implied. That's what I recall the charge being....maybe there's more.

The rest is unverifiable and /or personal tabloid stuff....like did they point the gun at her kids or just menace them with the guns, did she get pregnant with her student, etc. Not germane to her claims about Florida's verified misrepresentations, and inappropriate attacks against the messenger instead of the message, imo. Distasteful to me, but besides the point.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Sorry, I forgot facts are just for liberals.
Snopes isn't perfect but they're head and shoulders and chest and waist and knees and ankles and feet above ANY source you've provided over the years, you are often directly quoting Russian propaganda. They are also far from the only fact checker that says the same thing, along with dozens of articles throughout his career with the exact same story, and books written about it for decades, and even recent awards from the stuttering community/organizations...but you know better because why? Did Alex Jones say so? Glen Beck? Diaper Don?
Here's a few dozen reports, some from right wing media, about Biden's stutter....I'm sure you won't or can't read them. Easy to find, just Google Biden's speech impediment....but I saved you the trouble of spelling it....
http://www.google.com/search?q=History+of+Biden%27s+speech+impediment.&source=hp&oq=History+of+Biden%27s+speech+impediment.&gs_l=mobile-heirloom-hp.3.
..3514.18619.0.19028.31.28.0.3.3.0.256.4264.0j24j4.28.0....0...1c.1j4.34.mobile-heirloom-hp..12.19.2638.G_u9HmUbuck

Being able to overcome it at times doesn't mean it doesn't exist....if it does then his exemplary performance and coherent speeches since taking office proves you wrong 100+ times over....but your guy thinks you should inject bleach to fight a virus he says is a hoax, you believe in Jewish space lasers, Italian vote changing satellites, and age defying magic from cannibalism. Who's too old and feeble minded? I think we know the answer, Jethro. Where did you get your degree in diagnosing cognitive decline? You need to sue them, you learned nothing.
He's said clearly for decades that, like many, his stutter gets much worse when he's tired and under stress. That's totally normal with stuttering.

Trump, on the other hand, has no such excuse for his inability to speak or write in complete thoughts or sentences or even English words...covfefe! Oranges of the investigation. Oranges. Oranges. Mumerca!

Biden is clearly not too old to kick diaper Donny's ass without breaking a sweat, and is in excellent shape for his age, you can't say that about obese Trump. He is older than I would prefer, that's different from being too old to hold office....isn't he younger than Trump would be in 4 years? So if Biden is too old now, Trump was too old to elect. Do you know that's what you're saying?

bobknight33 said:

You using Snopes as a fact checker is rich.

Claim
U.S. President Joe Biden has a speech impediment.

False. No speech impediment just too old.


No speech impediment in 1993. 12 minutes of pure coherent speech .
Maybe as a kid but not by 1993.
2021 Must be to old feeble to speak with out bumbling/ stumbling.

Just admit Biden is too old to be POTUS. Grandpa Joe will be gone soon and the unpopular VP will take over. Yet a bigger joke.


Here's A Bunch of Stuff Bill Maher Is Wrong About

newtboy says...

"Two weeks ago a 30 year old came into my hospital perfectly healthy dead....dead from the swine flu."....really?! What kind of nonsense is this? How often does he treat perfectly healthy dead people? Wasn't he surprised when a dead man walked in?

Bill is 100% correct that the average American diet leads to a large percentage of American health issues across the board, and exacerbates others.

Islam today is largely fundamentalist. Any religion practiced like Islam is practiced by many today is bad and evil. That is Bill's position. Christianity had it's fundamentalist period....we call it the dark ages....it's seeing a resurgence in America.

Milo on Bill was not a platform, more an expose. He didn't look intelligent at all. Bill's show is about getting both sides of a debate, even when one side is abhorrent. It's about exposing Nazis, not pretending they're right.

Compared to right wing talking heads, Bill is 100% right about everything....which is to say, those who complain about his mistakes and odd opinions AS A COMEDIAN are invariably the same people who back outrageous nutjobs like Beck, Jones, Limbaugh, Trump, and all the other feckless and feculent right wing propagandists who never honestly explain positions they disagree with and always create paper tigers and windmills to fight. Bill has them on to have their say in their own words to expose the insanity, and often goes on to contradict them.

BTW, Bill did get fully vaccinated for Covid....and one month ago he contracted it anyway. This broke his perfect attendance record of never missing a show since 93. He is not a crazed anti vaxer, he simply believes in America that the health crisis and poor overall health of Americans comes mainly from our diets since >70% of us are overweight and >42% are clinically obese. He's right.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Condemned for Comment on Mask Mandate

luxintenebris jokingly says...

what is the double-ironic is bk33's statement is factually wrong twice.*

*sigh* small point (and pedantic af) but 'drinking the Kool-Aid' was a grim reference to the poisoning of Jim Jones' cult members. cyanide (et al) was mixed w/FLAVOR AID and they drank it (not all, willingly).

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/23/8647095/kool-aid-jonestown-flavor-aid

sure, might be a tiny detail but still...33 is likely unaware (again) and mistaken (again).

point made.


* even to further the error(s), masks do cut transmissions. triple times the wrong, tho' that's piling on a bit.

StukaFox said:

Dear Webster's:

Please replace the current definition for "irony" with the following...

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

BSR says...

Actually, it was Flavor Aid, not Kool-Aid, that the Jim Jones cult used to commit mass suicide.

Mask is spelled mask. Proofread your stuff. It will make you look more intelligent and believable. Or not.

bobknight33 said:

If you still are wearing a make you definitionally drank the Kool aid.

GOP Purging Anyone Who Won't Embrace Trump's Election Lies

luxintenebris says...

like lesions that won't heal.

the goofiness of hearing the goldfish and his crackers spouting 'rhino' referring to a decades-long officeholder is too rich - or in ditzy don's case - too poor to be believed.

when Vader's daughter (no offense to the 'real' Leia) is the moral conscience of the party, it's truly beyond the pale. and the GOP is as pale as it gets.

bk33 has to be baiting (or just jim jones'ing)*. to t.t.'s bleat - what is he going on about? find it impenetrable (ala lead-lined).

* 'tho from his lips to GOD's ears. would love to witness the demise of the NRA and GOP in this lifetime.

Joe Rogan Clarifies His Vaccine Comments

Stormsinger says...

I've been forced to conclude that Rogan is just another Alex Jones. He's got nothing to offer except pandering to the lunatic fringe.

robdot said:

People who don’t get vaccinated are incubators for variants. Fuck you stupidass pieces of willfully ignorant shit.

Lava flows out as Iceland volcano erupts near Reykjavik

newtboy says...

As far as I know, the Icelandic people are the only ones in history to successfully redirect a lava flow (excluding Tommy Lee Jones). They got this.

[ In January 1973, Eldfell volcano on the island of Heimaey erupted an ‘a‘ā lava flow. Over the next 5 months, billions of gallons of seawater were pumped through an elaborate network of pipes laid out across the lava to cool the flow and slow its advance toward Heimaey's only harbor, the lifeline of the island and a critical economic resource for the entire country. The fragmental nature of the lava flow's surface allowed the seawater to penetrate deep into the flow and cool the lava near its core, and the advance of the flow was slowed as the flow front thickened dramatically.]

Can You Trust the Media? | Manufacturing Consent Explained

newtboy says...

No more opinion/spin means no more right wing media at all. Fox, OAN, and newsmax are nearly pure opinion outlets and could never exist without their opinion programming advertising dollars.
Edit: Alex Jones, gone. Glen Beck, gone. Right wing talk radio, gone.
Are you prepared for that just to get cnn down to 2 hours of original pure news programming per day? I am. 100%.

bobknight33 said:

Each main stream should only get noon and evening news for total of 2 hours. No more opinion/ spin crap 22 hrs / day.

Would like a total ban for 2 years.

Media is the problem.

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$55,000 for 5,000 votes

Alaskagate IS REAL! Or is it?

newtboy says...

Bwaaahahahaha...

Your trusted sources are OAN who hires active kgb agents to write propaganda for them, Glen Beck and Alex Jones who both argued in court that they are insane and no reasonable person would believe a word of their psychotic ramblings, random right wing extremist websites who support armed insurgents taking over government buildings, and until they allowed a few "reporters" to call Trump out on some minor lies and frauds, Faux, who successfully argued in court that they are so consistently full of shit that no reasonable person would believe a word they broadcast.

You would be here insisting this story is real if only he had implicated a Democrat in the plot, even after he admitted and proved it was a just ridiculous scam.

Wouldn't be the first time....which reminds me, where are the "known instances" of democrats committing massive vote fraud you promised months ago but never produced...liar.

Of course you don't trust verifiable sources, they're constantly telling the truth about Trump, something you just can't stand.

Yes, people like you discounting reputable and verifiable sources for information in favor of Russian propaganda (OAN), self admitted crazy people (Beck/Jones), and fake "news" organizations that label themselves as unreliable liars in court (Fox). Are America's biggest problem...largely because their ignorant trust in blatant lies from admitted propagandists and liars gave us Trump.

Red tsunami 2020, just like 2018. Gonna wash away the red stain.

bobknight33 said:

Trusted sources???
CNN
MSNBC
ABC,
CBS,
NBC,
FOX,
None are trusted sources.

Those who trust the above are brain dead.

That is Americas biggest problem, not Trump.

MEGA landslide 2020

Smoke From Forest Fire in Oregon Reduces Visibility

bobknight33 says...

NPR is blinded to reality.


While yo look to NPR what about local news? How many arsonist are mentioned?

Archived news articles:
Jedidiah Fulton, 39 [https://archive.is/GWLYq]
Alberto Vincent Acosta [https://archive.is/cFPbd]
Kevin Carle, 37 [https://archive.is/xHiFO]
Ivan Geronimo Gomez, 30 [https://archive.is/mhKtG]
Guadalupe Molina-Pacheco [https://archive.is/US23e]
Julian Draper [https://archive.is/JyfJe]
Demarco Covey, 24 [https://archive.is/owMeD]
Wesley James Bergman, 37 [https://archive.is/rl2cm]
Elias Pendergrass, 44 [https://archive.is/wJ1XR]
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Anita Esquivel, 37 [https://archive.is/nMZFo]
Vanya Hummel, 24 [https://archive.is/DgwbY]
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John Davies, 55 [https://archive.is/VDg3M]
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Christine Comello, 36 [https://archive.is/4mLJT]
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[https://archive.is/Vvnoz
Alexander Bradford Smith, 26 [http://jailviewer.co.douglas.or.us/Home/BookingSearchDetail?BookingNumber=B20002631]
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Jeffrey Accord, 36 [https://archive.is/j3yuB]
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[https://archive.is/nJ9OU]
Facebook stream mirror; [https://www.bitchute.com/video/iCiNEzxzOaqd/ (embed)]
2014 Ferguson Arrest; [https://archive.is/IgEUL]
Info roundup; [https://archive.is/JxZ4P]
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Milton Loice Moran, 48 [https://archive.is/PiJpR]
Anthony Travis Bodda, 21 [https://archive.is/eQ8HB]
Alexander Jones, 36
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Michael Jarrod Bakkela, 41 [https://archive.is/DGEGz]
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newtboy said:

So I'll tell you again, no, and it's not arsonists in Oregon either, antifa or not, maybe a few, but not a statistically significant number. It's lighting and wind and accidents in California and Oregon and Washington. A massive lightning storm hit the west in mid August sparking fires everywhere, and unprecedented dryness and high temperatures has kept those and other fires alive since.
The newest right wing claim is that climate change has nothing to do with the fires, they're all antifa arson. Of course I assumed that's what you were referencing when you erroneously claimed many of the Oregon fires were arson.

Read it this time, the answers are there...
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/13/912449209/oregon-officials-warn-untrue-antifa-rumors-waste-precious-resources-for-fires

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