goodness gracious! that was tremendous!

speaking truth to power seems to be infiltrating mainstream media.

Umm, I'm pretty sure she became a tax lawyer because her husband wanted her to. And I'm guessing she went to work for the IRS because that was the best opportunity at the time, i.e. they agreed to hire her.

Or...she joined the IRS in order to infiltrate the evil gubment ala Operation Snow white. This just in, Michelle Bachmann is a Scientologist!

Yogi, I agree with this thought - I always like your comments. You seem like a cool dude or dudette, haha!

I think it's all about solidarity in local politics. The left will always be ignored though. I've witnessed it, I've recounted many times when you know San Francisco / Bay Area residents shutdown SF for several business days the day we started bombing Iraq. You didn't see it in the news - it had no support though it was a democratic movement & one I'd venture to say was an important statement for all Americans who agreed with it. I've seen, what I'd call "mainstream" tactics at protests - it's exactly what mainstream media is about. They create their own scenarios and infiltrate in order to break it up. The whole system is corrupt. It's exactly why Bush was voted in twice. What do we do? I refuse to vote any longer except in local politics. I could go on and on with this topic.

Too many people believe in democratic change through protests and who we vote in as a President. It simply doesn't work that way unless people become very aggressive on a very large scale. I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying it needs to be very organized, the message simple and the actions hopefully non-violent - but I have not seen non-violent disobedience work in all of my 30 years.

>> ^Yogi:

I'm starting to have little sympathy for the American public. I started out with hating these corporations and hating the Right...now I'm starting to get pissed at the Left and the people. We have the internet, we have the ability to organize...so why the fuck aren't you doing it? The Left could've been organizing people the last couple decades they've fucked up royal. Online movements translated into protests and a groundswell of progress could've happened (and can still) but hasn't. Not that there hasn't been victories but what I see is TONS of like minded people, not happy with the way the corporations and the government fuck us and then not doing anything about it.
We have a democracy...it's not entirely broken. USE IT!

>> ^bobknight33:

You have some good links, thanks. It clearly points out that both parties spend like there is no tomorrow. Nothing like spending others people money.
Thank GOD that the TEA PARTY was able to infiltrate the Republican party and start holding these jackals feet to the fire. Hopefully the Democrats can get some TEA PARTY members on their side and together the TEA PARTY can stop this wasteful spending. >> ^NetRunner:
>> ^bobknight33:
To see how much the Government spends click the link
What 15 trillion dollars look like.

Where the debt actually came from:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3490
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms




Kinda not sure what you're talking about.

The first link shows that the deficit would be 0 if we unwound everything Bush did, and the second one shows that the bulk of the debt we have today was the result of Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, and that Obama will be the first Democrat since FDR to preside over a deficit, and yet it'll still be a smaller one than Reagan ever ran...

The biggest source of debt is tax cuts, starting with Reagan. Clinton got the budget balanced with tax increases and spending cuts, Bush & the Republicans unbalanced it again with tax cuts.

Democrats have essentially always cared about debt and deficits more than anyone else. Look back at historical campaigns, even as far back as the 19th century.

This link was broken the other day, but here's what our future deficit problems are being caused by:

http://www.offthechartsblog.org/what%E2%80%99s-driving-projected-debt/

Yeah those patriots, who would kill our country to save it. Those brave men who want to sink our economy, estinguish our good credit, and topple the dollar from its position as the worlds default reserve currency.

My 401k, house value, and weak dollar all thank these principled, delusional, stupid men. May they burn in hell for what they are doing.>> ^bobknight33:
You have some good links, thanks. It clearly points out that both parties spend like there is no tomorrow. Nothing like spending others people money.
Thank GOD that the TEA PARTY was able to infiltrate the Republican party and start holding these jackals feet to the fire. Hopefully the Democrats can get some TEA PARTY members on their side and together the TEA PARTY can stop this wasteful spending. >> ^NetRunner:
>> ^bobknight33:
To see how much the Government spends click the link
What 15 trillion dollars look like.

Where the debt actually came from:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3490
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

You have some good links, thanks. It clearly points out that both parties spend like there is no tomorrow. Nothing like spending others people money.

Thank GOD that the TEA PARTY was able to infiltrate the Republican party and start holding these jackals feet to the fire. Hopefully the Democrats can get some TEA PARTY members on their side and together the TEA PARTY can stop this wasteful spending. >> ^NetRunner:

>> ^bobknight33:
To see how much the Government spends click the link
What 15 trillion dollars look like.

Where the debt actually came from:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3490
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

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>> ^Lithic:

>> ^marbles:
Anybody that thinks Assange is working for the people needs to read this:
Nihilists of The World Unite: Wikileaks Is The “Cognitive Infiltration” Operation Demanded by Cass Sunstein

Noo, damn my slippery upvote finger, the guy in that link is a conspiracy nut, I mean, he's fun, in a crazy way, but still not upvote-worthy. Ah well, damage done I suppose.


Yeah, imagine that: rich and powerful people conspiring together to advance their agenda. That's crazy man!

>> ^marbles:

Anybody that thinks Assange is working for the people needs to read this:
Nihilists of The World Unite: Wikileaks Is The “Cognitive Infiltration” Operation Demanded by Cass Sunstein


Noo, damn my slippery upvote finger, the guy in that link is a conspiracy nut, I mean, he's fun, in a crazy way, but still not upvote-worthy. Ah well, damage done I suppose.

Anybody that thinks Assange is working for the people needs to read this:

Nihilists of The World Unite: Wikileaks Is The “Cognitive Infiltration” Operation Demanded by Cass Sunstein

>> ^marbles:

>> ^MaxWilder:
>> ^marbles:
Well, we have 2 people: One from the left (@ MaxWilder), and one from the right (@ quantumushroom), that both agree Ron Paul doesn't have a chance at winning. Why? Because he's not part of the corrupt establishment.
So I ask: Why stay trapped in the false left/right political structure? Why continue to vote for establishment clowns that just tell you what you want to hear?
The Left/Right Statist Collectivist Mass Delusion

While that article is full of wonderfully insulting and entertaining generalities and prejudices, it does absolutely nothing about the problem. The only way out of this statist/corporatist mess is to reform elections.
First, at a minimum we need to abolish corporate funded election campaigns. Ideally everyone would have the exact same access to promote their platforms. Not sure how that would happen for libertarian ideals, but personally I have no problem with state funding.
Secondly, we need to abolish "first past the post" elections. As far as I can tell, a Condorcet method is the only viable election type.
After that we would need to eliminate the revolving door from government office to lobbying and corporate board member.
Anybody who wants to implement those changes has my full support.

I fully agree with getting rid of "first past the post" type elections. But the other problems you cite are direct consequences from things you support like government unions and healthcare. How can you be against corporate funding, but support what enables it? And the only way to eliminate the revolving door is by removing the incentive of gaining government office. If the government doesn't have the power to pick winners and losers, then the corporate world will have no reason to influence or infiltrate it.


There is absolutely nothing about the fundamental role of government unions or healthcare that relates to funding politicians. As the system works now, both must pay of politicians in order to remain in existence, or their opponents will hatchet them. With a system of voting that would allow the political spectrum to shift back to the center where rational compromise exists, they wouldn't have to worry about getting defunded. Or if they did get defunded, it would be because that's what the people really wanted, not some extreme wing.

I'm not sure how you could possibly eliminate the government's power to pick winners and losers. We'd need to eliminate the ability of elected officials to pick a winner and then later get hired by the winner. That would remove the temptation to vote based on potential personal gain.

>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^marbles:
Well, we have 2 people: One from the left (@ MaxWilder), and one from the right (@ quantumushroom), that both agree Ron Paul doesn't have a chance at winning. Why? Because he's not part of the corrupt establishment.
So I ask: Why stay trapped in the false left/right political structure? Why continue to vote for establishment clowns that just tell you what you want to hear?
The Left/Right Statist Collectivist Mass Delusion

While that article is full of wonderfully insulting and entertaining generalities and prejudices, it does absolutely nothing about the problem. The only way out of this statist/corporatist mess is to reform elections.
First, at a minimum we need to abolish corporate funded election campaigns. Ideally everyone would have the exact same access to promote their platforms. Not sure how that would happen for libertarian ideals, but personally I have no problem with state funding.
Secondly, we need to abolish "first past the post" elections. As far as I can tell, a Condorcet method is the only viable election type.
After that we would need to eliminate the revolving door from government office to lobbying and corporate board member.
Anybody who wants to implement those changes has my full support.


I fully agree with getting rid of "first past the post" type elections. But the other problems you cite are direct consequences from things you support like government unions and healthcare. How can you be against corporate funding, but support what enables it? And the only way to eliminate the revolving door is by removing the incentive of gaining government office. If the government doesn't have the power to pick winners and losers, then the corporate world will have no reason to influence or infiltrate it.

say that five times fast


no wait, don't

>> ^blankfist:

>> ^residue:
"ball" deep? was there an operation?
>> ^blankfist:
>> ^gwiz665:
Didn't @blankfist and @kronosposeidon break up about a year ago over some political differences? (Sexual inadequacy..)
>> ^rottenseed:
Who wants to get a pool for the first videosift divorce going?


No. We're still very much in love and very much ball deep.


Yes. Operation Rear Infiltration.

>> ^residue:

"ball" deep? was there an operation?
>> ^blankfist:
>> ^gwiz665:
Didn't @blankfist and @kronosposeidon break up about a year ago over some political differences? (Sexual inadequacy..)
>> ^rottenseed:
Who wants to get a pool for the first videosift divorce going?


No. We're still very much in love and very much ball deep.



Yes. Operation Rear Infiltration.

@ gwiz665
Philosophical certainty is the only kind I really care about. And I still don't suppose that God "isn't in certain places" is a true statement if you can't be certain about your certainty, then you aren't certain...thats for certain...wait what? I am not a theist mind you, but I am not certain that God doesn't or can't exist.

I mean, what is the say that the reason that gravity is the way it is and particles move in waves instead of lines aren't just the rules in God's head; that this is just a reality matrix of rules that exist in a beings mind...same thing he supposes in the video. Such would also be unverifiable, but true. That is my main problem with empirical inquiring as a method for truth, it has a limited number of predicates to deal with, and some subjects it can't address.

I admit, my mindset is a minority. I care about truth with a capital T. Most are just focused on limited understandings that make medicines and build spaceships, cool stuff mind you! For me, I much rather focus on what can be called certain, and certainly not. And for the most part, I have to rule that certainty in either case is lacking. As such, I am compelled to believe neither.

We don't see exactly eye to eye on this, but I will still let you touch my man cleavage.

In a complete aside, I had a dream where all the matter, energy, and "stuff" in this universe was actually just an abstraction of some other universe...like we were just a shadow of a reality that existed elsewhere. And there were special beings that could infiltrate this universe and hide. A war broke out between those taking refuge in the "dream world", and they would dodge back and for to reality to affect the dream world in ways that were desirable. Kind of maxrixy, fun stuff!

The reason I bring it up is much like Newton and Einstein point out, we seem to be trapped in perspective. The objectivity of science is really just group subjectiveness. Our individual experience of A is similarly described. So let us all call our experience of A, A prime and just refer to it as an objective event. It works when you want to build a building, but is isn't certainly true. And that defines one of my main problems with most empirical discovery. If you don't see a problem with it, well, then I just care about a different set of truths