There was plenty of supernatural hints, but they kept it ambiguous enough that it made sense. The end betrays that completely. The constant involvement of prophecies, Baltar as Jesus was nicely tied up to be a massive hoax, and that would have made sense, instead it doesn't!

Raaaaaage! *smacks head on the table*

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>> ^dag:
Makes me miss BSG- but then makes me remember the betrayal of the creators at the ending. Deus ex machina FTL.
(no, this nerd has not forgiven)

dag, if the ending was the first time you noticed there was a teensy bit of supernatural and the 'divine' involved in the story, you might as well have not been watching at all. This nerd is at a loss as to why all the numerous allusions about the constant involvement of a god or gods in human and cylon plights were OK for you and others (gwiz among them, prominently) until the time came for the story to end. Then it's deus ex machina all of a sudden.

NERDS!

Kidding. Just watched it. I think when Kara Thrace left the first time (what was it, season 3?) she did fly to the 13th colony Earth and crash landed. She was then brought back as an angel.

Her being the 'harbinger of death' was confusing. I think it's that way because she's the one that brings them to our Earth to start the whole process over, which will eventually lead to the same demise of humanity? Dunno, just a hunch that's what they meant.

I have to admit, I kind of saw this being the precursor to our current human timeline from the get-go. The use of Greek gods/Zodiakos tipped me off in the beginning, and somehow I had a strong inkling they would be the start of our world leaving behind mythology as their legacy. I did think Baltar was shaping up to be Jesus, though. 150,000 years is a far cry from 2000, so I suppose that theory doesn't hold much water now seeing the ending.

I didn't think it was as bad as everyone keeps saying. It was not horrible. Sure, it could've been better, but it's a TV show. They have to stretch it out, which always leads to plot holes and loose logic.

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^I'm glad to hear it. I have about 5 episodes to go. I have to say, melodrama aside - there are some pretty good actors in this show.

Colonel Tigh is very good and I've liked Edward James Almos since Stand and Deliver.

Rosalyn's little facial ticks bug the hell out of me - and she uses the business of taking off her glasses and putting them back on waaay too much.

I've found Apollo to be kind of a milquetoast pretty boy - but Baltar has had great pathos.

I read this on EW.com, and it does a good job of explaining why I disliked Kara's exit so vehemently:

"For all of its religious overtones and prophetical trappings, Battlestar Galactica has been a show rooted in the real. It was defined by a very real holocaust and the harsh realities of a world lost, of shattered hope, that gave the show its shape. For characters to die, and come back from the dead, and vanish into thin air...feels like a betrayal of that fundamental premise. Is she an angel, as Baltar would claim? A collective figment of everyone's imagination? I know that Ron Moore has said that Kara is whatever we want her to be. I want her to make sense. (And who, exactly, was Kara the Harbinger of Death for? The Cylons? Not for the humans, clearly.)"

Ultimately... I think the writers just wrote themselves into multiple corners, plain and simple. It's a pretty big fuck-up when you take such an amazing television series and just write stuff because it seems cool, without any plan or vision as to where it will lead, or how you're going to tie it up and explain it.

Kara being an angel? Bullshit. They painted themselves into a corner after they decided to "resurrect" her (or perhaps when they had her drawing the Eye of Jupiter throughout her childhood). Even so, couldn't they have done better? I saw someone suggest the idea that the resurrected Kara could actually be a clone, created from Kara's ovaries (from when Kara was in the Cylon hospital on Caprica). I don't like that idea just for the fact that it wouldn't truly be Kara, but it strikes me as a more interesting, more reasonable explanation. But perhaps it would've been best to not kill her in the first place.

Head Six and Baltar being angels? They painted themselves into that corner way back in season 1, when Shelly Godfrey showed up. I remember thinking, after watching that episode, "there's no way they're going to be able to adequately explain this." No surprise: I was right.

Kara being the harbinger of death? They'd been repeating that over and over again, but I didn't see it. Same with Hera being essential to the story. I didn't see either of those things. I've heard it theorized that the vast majority of the colonists would've died on Earth 2, and in that sense, Kara was a harbinger of death. And perhaps Hera being a hybrid made her and her descendants strong enough to survive in those conditions. Which I might actually accept, except that I didn't see any hints of either of those in the finale.

Those are the main ones, I guess. I'm sure I'll think of more.

I wanted more.. I have to admit, I don't remember all the details from the whole series. And lots of the time I watched, I was very tired and a bit drunk, so I might have forgotten a lot.

Though wyhen I heard that there was going to be a Galactica remake, and Starbuck would be famela, I was not happy. I had a majot crush on Starbuck when I watched the original series, and a female Starbuck, wtf??

But I nreally grew fond of Kara! I love Aeryn Sun in Farscape, and Kara was like her.. kick-ass hero, who was soft inside. I really would have wanted to know more about her.

I really did not care much about Baltar.. He was way to weird and cryptic and crazy the whole series long. This Adama was way more human.,, and in the end, I wish he could have lived happily ever after with Roslin..

Oh, and what is the life span of a cylon like Tigh? Obviosly he eventually dies without resurrection. And what about Heras?

And what do Cylon Centurions do for fun anyway? Cruise the galaxy and.. ?

Like I said, I probably have forgotten more than I remember right now. I just wanted to know aboiot Starbuck!

I hope 'Lost' gets some better closure and explanation.

Kara (after she died), Head Baltar, and Head Six were all angels, doing the will of the superior being (not necessarily god).

Head six at some stages in the series actually caused physical harm to real baltar, not limited to lifting him off the ground in some cases. Her ability to manipulate him, even physically like that, is just the same as Angel-Starbuck, only kara was visible to everyone, and was oblivious to her nature until the very end.

Daniel was just a story plot used to fill in the missing cylon model number, and plays no role in the entire series other than that.

Hera is the mitochondrial eve. Her mixed blood gives the best of the cylons and the humans of the colonies, to man kind on new-earth.

The cylons of Earth 1.0 were the cylons that the original humans before them created. There has been a cycle of man evolving, man creating technology, man mastering technology, technology rebelling against man, and both of them wiping each other out. These cylons were no different.

I too was disappointed with the ending, but theres no real mystery after its all over, just....really lazy writing.

1) WTF Starbuck was when she returned.

I think this was attempt to be faithful to original series and the Crystal Ship. I think she is either related to "God" ala Baltar/Six Angels and/or like the Crystal Six person that appears to Starbuck in that one episode with the pregnant woman/test and the Scilon that he becomes a buddy with.

2) Why was Starbuck repeatedly called the harbinger of death if she actually sent everyone to this lush green planet to repopulate humanity?

This is a much passed around mistake. I think she was only called harbinger of apocalypse. Which does not mean death, but change / rebirth.

3) Was Starbuck's father really Daniel, the last Cylon "child" created by the final five? If so, was her mother human? How did they successfully breed?

Ron Moore was clear about this in some podcast (or so I've read). Daniel was just that, killed by jealous super evil Cavil. Starbuck was not cylon ever. Also the dead/reborn Starbuck could have seen her father/piano man just like the Baltar/Six visages.

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The only minorly interesting thing about the cop-out ending with "Eve" and crap is that Cylon DNA is literally built into the human nature and could explain how similar humans end up making the same Cylons eventually. It's like secret code waiting to be expressed. Of course the whole concept of Centurions makes zero sense then. I still don't understand why they were cludged into this TV show once skinjobs introduced.

Major plot flaw is that Cavils etc. know they have all the time in the world. Even if they felt tricked or double crossed they would not blow up ship containing Hera. That would be suicide for their race. Plus they downloaded half of the "stream" isn't that a good start? It's still not clear why the people who invented Resurrection could never recreate it. Did it really take all five of them? Also, how did they ever build the one Resurrection ship then? Could they never repair it or study it? What if it got hit by a random gamma burst or something.

I still can't understand.. How did Saul grow old? How did Cavil wipe memories and insert them five like 50 years prior to nuking planet. They clearly could make more clones of themselves even if there is no resurrection, can't they just go clone crazy and share their thoughts anyways??

Also, what would never happen is sending fleet into sun. Also, no scilons would choose to live on Earth, especially if they all have to split up. And I guarantee one captain would keep crazy weapons stash and technology to be supreme ruler of the new Earth. Besides most of these small groups of people would be killed by tribals in no time. I just can't see giving up all your medicine and stuff like that. It's lame throwback to M. Night movie.

Frakking awesome Besides, that's Bear McCreary at the keyboard & conducting and his brother Brendan "Bt4" McCreary with the guitar providing vocals. And I'm not sure, but there may have also been some of the show's regular cast performing, as they have done on several occasions (James Callis (Baltar) for example, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvjKzUg5zU8)

The music selection appears to be "Baltar's Dream" as well as "Roslin and Adama" from Battlestar Galactica season two. Songs are by Bear McCreary.

Lore was not lawful.... nor was Baltar, nor the sleestacks.

Is it just me or does "Baltar" constantly interrupt Tricia in midsentence?

Some episodes have the "vibe" of great movies, I'm reminded of some moments with 6 and Baltar, some of the relationship bulls-stuff between Lee and starbuck is a bit too much for me. This will be the first season I've watched un-medicated so that should be new..

Farhad that was a perfect summing up of Lost too.

when i first saw the original BS Galactica i went nuts and so did all the other kids i went to school with - we were eight or nine at the time. during the breaks we would deck together using our school tables a sort of a command center and then the other guys would take pairs and push each other on chairs around the classroom playing vipers vs. cylons - and of course nobody wanted to play baltar cause he would get beat up before the bell ringed...

Really? I've been quite fond of Baltar's imaginary life... a nice break, shall we say, from all the doom and gloom of the rest of the series, especially in the first season, when scenes such as this lead most of the rest of the characters to think Baltar's looney... which, of course, makes it even better when he's elected President... quite a nice commentary really, any idiot, it would seem, can be elected President!