I can't tell if you are being facetious or not, but *MAYBE* the first incident could be justified. The 2nd incident, with the van and no weapons in sight could never, ever be justified by anyone. Any organization or government that tries to justify it should be brought down.>> ^joedirt:

Dag, you are clueless.
Even the UN would rule this a justified shooting. Somehow the US is allowed to shoot anyone on sight of what they think is a gun. It's crazy, but that is what occupation means. No one gets convicted of these war crimes. Look at Gaza, look at Faluja. Look at any prison camp run by US military..

>> ^ToKeyMonsTeR:

So how do you go about stopping things like this? Whenever I speak up about these types of things people just blow me off as missinformed or unamerican or some crap


You show them videos like this, show them the hard hitting gore. That's the only way to do it. No one understands words anymore, you have to show them the raw, gristly, crimson spray.

>> ^dag:

How does the US government defend keeping this classified? I thought secret classification was not to be used to protect politically damaging material? Beyond the atrocity- that's something else that should be investigated. God Bless Wikileaks but in a democratic society this should have been released by the government- and the perpetrators prosecuted.


I understand your frustration with this Dag, but I think we all should hold off on assuming anything about this until WP lets us all know how this is actually a great day for America and her interests.

Besides, the Wikileaks guy has a girls name and funny hair.

>> ^gwiz665:

It's looking more and more like vietnam, isn't it? The american occupying force ought to get the hell out of there.
quality, not that the video really needs it.


All of the wars since Vietnam have been just like Vietnam. But no one seems to give a shit in the US, and if they do they sure as hell don't fucking act like it.

They need to ask for permission in case their command center is aware of friendly units in the area, rather than for a tactical assessment of what they are seeing from the helicopter itself.>> ^jwray:

Also, you have them asking for permission to fire from someone who doesn't even see the footage or really know what the fuck is going on. What the fuck kind of idiotic procedure is that? Put the delusional trigger-happy-moron on trigger, and have him take orders about whether to fire from somebody who doesn't know anything about the situation except what trigger-happy-moron tells him?

Do you see in the description where I said "Things like this have to be seen if anything is going to change."? Me being glad people are seeing this video is stated in the video description. The video's momentum tells me people are seeing the video, and going Top 15 tells me more people will see the video. Don't be such an ass.

>> ^rottenseed:

As they should be>> ^Throbbin:
>> ^rottenseed:
Gee I'm glad these people could die for your top 15 video...>> ^Throbbin:
2 hours 29 minutes for Top 15. Videosift, I love thee!


Wow, I'm glad you can conflate the 2.

As they should be>> ^Throbbin:

>> ^rottenseed:
Gee I'm glad these people could die for your top 15 video...>> ^Throbbin:
2 hours 29 minutes for Top 15. Videosift, I love thee!


Wow, I'm glad you can conflate the 2.

>> ^rottenseed:

Gee I'm glad these people could die for your top 15 video...>> ^Throbbin:
2 hours 29 minutes for Top 15. Videosift, I love thee!



Wow, I'm glad you can conflate the 2.

Gee I'm glad these people could die for your top 15 video...>> ^Throbbin:

2 hours 29 minutes for Top 15. Videosift, I love thee!

Your video, Wikileaks - U.S. Apache killing civilians in Baghdad, has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Iraqi Interior Ministry still backing 'bomb detector'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8477601.stm

'...But the interior ministry is still standing by the device.

Jawad al-Bolani said on Friday: "There are a lot of companies working on the development of these sort of instruments and Iraq is now considered a market area for companies producing such devices.

"It is a business, the business of security. And there are other rival companies trying to belittle the efficiency of these instruments the government is buying." ....'

'...However, the ministry's inspectorate told the BBC's Jim Muir, in Baghdad, that it was carrying out its own investigation into suspicions that corruption was involved in the deal to import the devices....'

The movie ran through me
The glamour subdued me
The tabloid untied me
I'm empty please fill me
Mister anchor assure me
That Baghdad is burning
Your voice it is so soothing
That cunning mantra of killing
I need you my witness
To dress this up so bloodless
To numb me and purge me now
Of thoughts of blaming you
Yes the car is our wheelchair
My witness your coughing
Oily silence mocks the legless boys
Who travel now in coffins
On the corner
The jury's sleepless
We found your weakness
And it's right outside your door

Now testify
Now testify
It's right outside your door
Now testify
Yes testify
Its right outside your door

With precision you feed me
My witness I'm hungry
Your temple it calms me
So I can carry on
My slaving sweating the skin right off my bones
On a bed of fire I'm choking on the smoke that fills my home
The wrecking ball is rushing
Witness your blushing
The pipeline is gushing
While here we lie in tombs
While on the corner
The jury's sleepless
We found your weakness
And it's right outside your door

Now testify
Yeah testify
It's right outside your door
Now testify
Now testify
It's right outside your door

Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set

Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now controls the past
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now?

Now testify
Testify
It's right outside your door
Now testify
Testify
It's right outside your door

I agree that Fox News is not so much a 'news network' as it is an 'infotainment' house - one that is predominated by a conservative point of view. But it has to be said (very loudly) that CNN, the NY Times, PBS, and MSNBC are 'infotainment' houses that are predominated by a liberal point of view. And (quite frankly) people have no right to complain about Fox News because all they are doing is following the template that was created years before they started broadcasting. CNN, TNN and others established the 'infotainment' standard before FOX showed up.

So for White House flacks to say that Fox News "isn't" a news outlet, but that CNN/MSNBC/NYT/AP/USA Today (et al) ARE news outlets smacks of a rather dystopian double standard. Basically Axelrod & the other white house cronies are just mad because Fox is the only news channel that is fact checking their bull$#!+ - and they don't like it. They're skating on some pretty thin ice. This is Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia or Baghdad "Bob" style attempted media control and pretty creepy that they are being so open about it.

I had no idea he did a show in Baghdad. It sounded pretty awesome.

Multiple car bombs in Baghdad today killed over 40 people. So sad.

But CNN doesn't give a fuck about the shredded bodies of non-white people.