*dupeof=http://videosift.com/video/whale-floating-on-ground-at-oil-rig-filmed-by-ROV-no-sound

actually ... yes... you can smell it too
like theres one part when a t rex roars in your face and you get in the face with water and a blast of air that smells like bad breath. also the chairs vibrate and roll around and you can feel wind and breath and stuff. so yeah, you're occupying space while watching a 3D movie.. but in a 4D movie there are phsycial effects that cause the movie to also occupy your space. it'd be cool if that film thing wasn't just propaganda invading my science museum.
In reply to this comment by pavel_one:
Aren't all 3D movies actually 4D? I just don't see how you can leave that 4th D out.
Are you really saying that it's a 3D movie with smell-o-vision? The awesome of shale gas in a 3D movie with stench is mind-boggling.

In reply to this comment by peggedbea:
yeah yeah ok... sure
but the oil and natural gas barons who fund this tea bagging nonsense publicly acknowledge science and the fossil origins of fossil fuels.

example: i live in on top of a previously impossible to tap natural gas shale. they just discovered how to tap the shit out of that gas. the shale is a huge deal here and has brought a lot development and growth to my adorable little cowtown in the last 3 years or so. so much so in fact, that the natural gas companies funded massive renovations to our science museum. so a room in the museum is now dedicated to the science of natural gas. one of the attractions is a 10 minute long 4D movie about how natural gas got underneath fort worth, and how these genius's are getting it out. the movie takes you back in time all the way to the big bang and fast forwards to different periods, clearly acknowledging that the earth is far far far far older than 6,000 years and that god didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

soooo, i understand that shaping and funding a movement that denies climate change is good for them, but a wonderful justification for denying the science is the godly origins of the earth... but at the same time they're spending thousands to educate an entire city on the ancientness and godlessness of fossil fuels.....

so nothing about this fits. i've never met a teabagger (and i'm probably more inclined to meet more teabaggers than most of the sift because of my geography) that 1. didn't deny the scientific origins of the universe 2. didn't deny climate change and when hard pressed with facts, didn't resort to "jesus is coming back" and 3. didn't looooooove the shit out of some fossil fuels ...... are they really really just too stupid to notice that the circle doesn't close? this makes me sad.

or is it just a cultural thing?? like, texas has been an oil rich state for over a century now. oil is just kind of embedded in our culture and is just accepted as something positive and a point of pride. and the discussion doesn't go much further than that. i grew up in a city who's football mascot was a fucking oil rig. when i think of symbols that mean texas to me, i see an oil rig. oil=texas. texas=home. home=good. done. thought circle complete. i hope that's it. and it's not just outrageous stupidity and a short few years of brain washing alone. i'm sad.

>> ^RFlagg:

Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

Aren't all 3D movies actually 4D? I just don't see how you can leave that 4th D out.
Are you really saying that it's a 3D movie with smell-o-vision? The awesome of shale gas in a 3D movie with stench is mind-boggling.

In reply to this comment by peggedbea:
yeah yeah ok... sure
but the oil and natural gas barons who fund this tea bagging nonsense publicly acknowledge science and the fossil origins of fossil fuels.

example: i live in on top of a previously impossible to tap natural gas shale. they just discovered how to tap the shit out of that gas. the shale is a huge deal here and has brought a lot development and growth to my adorable little cowtown in the last 3 years or so. so much so in fact, that the natural gas companies funded massive renovations to our science museum. so a room in the museum is now dedicated to the science of natural gas. one of the attractions is a 10 minute long 4D movie about how natural gas got underneath fort worth, and how these genius's are getting it out. the movie takes you back in time all the way to the big bang and fast forwards to different periods, clearly acknowledging that the earth is far far far far older than 6,000 years and that god didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

soooo, i understand that shaping and funding a movement that denies climate change is good for them, but a wonderful justification for denying the science is the godly origins of the earth... but at the same time they're spending thousands to educate an entire city on the ancientness and godlessness of fossil fuels.....

so nothing about this fits. i've never met a teabagger (and i'm probably more inclined to meet more teabaggers than most of the sift because of my geography) that 1. didn't deny the scientific origins of the universe 2. didn't deny climate change and when hard pressed with facts, didn't resort to "jesus is coming back" and 3. didn't looooooove the shit out of some fossil fuels ...... are they really really just too stupid to notice that the circle doesn't close? this makes me sad.

or is it just a cultural thing?? like, texas has been an oil rich state for over a century now. oil is just kind of embedded in our culture and is just accepted as something positive and a point of pride. and the discussion doesn't go much further than that. i grew up in a city who's football mascot was a fucking oil rig. when i think of symbols that mean texas to me, i see an oil rig. oil=texas. texas=home. home=good. done. thought circle complete. i hope that's it. and it's not just outrageous stupidity and a short few years of brain washing alone. i'm sad.

>> ^RFlagg:

Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

It might be just the local tea baggers here.
To be fair they haven't used the Jesus is coming soon as an excuse to do as they will, but it is something the locals seem to believe. After the election of Obama they actually thought that perhaps that will make Jesus come back sooner...I didn't realize god was so weak that his planned time for sending his son back could be altered by the actions of man, then again they seem to think god is to weak to do his job of convicting people of sins and punishing them for them, so they have to do that work for him... Anyhow, Jesus coming back soon seems to be a common thought, so I extended that to them as an excuse for using fossil fuels.
Very few of the tea baggers I know will acknowledge that global warming has anything to do with human activity. Those that do seem to think it is a very small nearly unmeasurable part of it, with cow farts having far more effect.
None of the tea baggers I know acknowledge the scientific origins of the universe, they may not be young Earth creationist, but they all are of the "design speaks of a designer" mentality. Of the old Earth creationist locally, some go with the gap theory, but most go with a day to god is as a thousand years or more to us. I personally don't know anyone who is a geocentrist.
None of the tea baggers here, home to people have a "MASTERS DEGREE IN COMMUNICATION" run for Stark County Treasurer would seem to believe that the movement is funded by any big companies, and that it is purely a grass roots movement.
Nothing I've seen of the tea baggers on the sift or news makes sense though. I just can't work out their thought process without resorting to religious dogma, and the firm belief that the far right Republican's are the only true Christians and the only ones who should be elected.
I was never a tea bagger, but I used to drink deep of the same sort of kool-aid and glad I am out of that movement now. So it may be indeed a cultural issue... We may just have more idiots incapable of independent thought here. I have been a sad panda for them for some time.

>> ^peggedbea:

yeah yeah ok... sure
but the oil and natural gas barons who fund this tea bagging nonsense publicly acknowledge science and the fossil origins of fossil fuels.
example: i live in on top of a previously impossible to tap natural gas shale. they just discovered how to tap the shit out of that gas. the shale is a huge deal here and has brought a lot development and growth to my adorable little cowtown in the last 3 years or so. so much so in fact, that the natural gas companies funded massive renovations to our science museum. so a room in the museum is now dedicated to the science of natural gas. one of the attractions is a 10 minute long 4D movie about how natural gas got underneath fort worth, and how these genius's are getting it out. the movie takes you back in time all the way to the big bang and fast forwards to different periods, clearly acknowledging that the earth is far far far far older than 6,000 years and that god didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.
soooo, i understand that shaping and funding a movement that denies climate change is good for them, but a wonderful justification for denying the science is the godly origins of the earth... but at the same time they're spending thousands to educate an entire city on the ancientness and godlessness of fossil fuels.....
so nothing about this fits. i've never met a teabagger (and i'm probably more inclined to meet more teabaggers than most of the sift because of my geography) that 1. didn't deny the scientific origins of the universe 2. didn't deny climate change and when hard pressed with facts, didn't resort to "jesus is coming back" and 3. didn't looooooove the shit out of some fossil fuels ...... are they really really just too stupid to notice that the circle doesn't close? this makes me sad.
or is it just a cultural thing?? like, texas has been an oil rich state for over a century now. oil is just kind of embedded in our culture and is just accepted as something positive and a point of pride. and the discussion doesn't go much further than that. i grew up in a city who's football mascot was a fucking oil rig. when i think of symbols that mean texas to me, i see an oil rig. oil=texas. texas=home. home=good. done. thought circle complete. i hope that's it. and it's not just outrageous stupidity and a short few years of brain washing alone. i'm sad.
>> ^RFlagg:
Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

yeah yeah ok... sure
but the oil and natural gas barons who fund this tea bagging nonsense publicly acknowledge science and the fossil origins of fossil fuels.

example: i live in on top of a previously impossible to tap natural gas shale. they just discovered how to tap the shit out of that gas. the shale is a huge deal here and has brought a lot development and growth to my adorable little cowtown in the last 3 years or so. so much so in fact, that the natural gas companies funded massive renovations to our science museum. so a room in the museum is now dedicated to the science of natural gas. one of the attractions is a 10 minute long 4D movie about how natural gas got underneath fort worth, and how these genius's are getting it out. the movie takes you back in time all the way to the big bang and fast forwards to different periods, clearly acknowledging that the earth is far far far far older than 6,000 years and that god didn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

soooo, i understand that shaping and funding a movement that denies climate change is good for them, but a wonderful justification for denying the science is the godly origins of the earth... but at the same time they're spending thousands to educate an entire city on the ancientness and godlessness of fossil fuels.....

so nothing about this fits. i've never met a teabagger (and i'm probably more inclined to meet more teabaggers than most of the sift because of my geography) that 1. didn't deny the scientific origins of the universe 2. didn't deny climate change and when hard pressed with facts, didn't resort to "jesus is coming back" and 3. didn't looooooove the shit out of some fossil fuels ...... are they really really just too stupid to notice that the circle doesn't close? this makes me sad.

or is it just a cultural thing?? like, texas has been an oil rich state for over a century now. oil is just kind of embedded in our culture and is just accepted as something positive and a point of pride. and the discussion doesn't go much further than that. i grew up in a city who's football mascot was a fucking oil rig. when i think of symbols that mean texas to me, i see an oil rig. oil=texas. texas=home. home=good. done. thought circle complete. i hope that's it. and it's not just outrageous stupidity and a short few years of brain washing alone. i'm sad.

>> ^RFlagg:

Because Jesus is coming again soon to rapture them away so they don't care what they do to the earth, besides god gave them dominion over the Earth to rape and pillage it as they please. They don't believe in anthropological global warming anyhow since they don't believe in science, though some of them believe in peak oil which is why they think we need to drill "our own oil" by international companies selling it on the international market... Also he put the oil in the earth already made along with fossils, and accelerated light so that a galaxy 12 billion light years away can be seen now even though the universe is only 6,500 years old, and all that other prof that he had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It is that whole god chose the foolish things to confound the wise... and he hid things from the wise and learned and revealed them to children... and all the other excuses they have for explaining such things.
>> ^peggedbea:
i'm super fascinated with how evolution denying teabaggers justify their raging boner for fossil fuels.

Sounds like someone is attempting to shift blame from the myriad of other problems. I can understand looking into this to see how it could have been handled better, but blaming anyone for possibly damaging/sinking a burning structure....and one that is so fully engulfed in flames that multiple boats aren't able to extinguish it in the process.....is nuts. Unless those people got on board this oil rig and started the fire in the first place, I don't see the point of trying to shift attention onto their efforts to put it out as a bad thing.

The alternative to let it burn itself out would have resulted and just as likely may have resulted in this rig sinking due to temperatures causing metals to fatigue/warp and other things just simply explode from having massive temperature changes due to the fueled fire taking place on much cooler water.

The only thing this investigation could possibly benefit from is that it may allow them to stand a chance to extinguish fires like this in the future, but it looks to me like there's a bit of a campaign here going to try to blame the Coast Guard for BPs failures to take the time to properly close off a well resulting in much more than just a burned up rig but the deaths of people, and the resulting oil spill killing off countless wildlife and creating potential (more likely than not in my opinion) long term health problems for everyone exposed.

And there is the underlying problem of the government regulations being too lax when it comes to oil drilling where as other countries require relief wells to be in place before disaster strikes. Non-existent oversight.......no requirement for oil cleanup R&D.......just a policy of make as much money as you can off government contracts and hope nothing goes wrong so people won't look at hard at all of us.

The coast guard is featured in a much better light on shows like "The Biggest Catch" where a boat has catastrophic failures and these guys have to go out to save their asses from a fiery, freezing, drowning, etc death. Or when they have their specials and show the coast guard and such rescuing people from rooftops after hurricane Katrina and developing new techniques on the spot to be taught as part of the training after it's all over.

Blaming the coast guard is just an attempt to shift blame off BP and regulations committees/politicians in bed with them. It's akin to blaming the police department for 9/11 or the fire department for being unable to deal with large radioactive contamination. Who expects some crazy bastards to create the conditions for catastrophic failures and not let anyone know what the hell they did before it's too late to act on it? Some do, but you'll run out of funds trying to prepare for everything and you'll go crazy trying to predict them all. So you do the best you can and punish the people who CAUSED the problem, not the people who were unawares of it until it's exploding in their face. That's just ass backwards.

I had to downvote this because of your fucking stupid video comment.

Not only is BP no longer a british company (since long before the spill), but i'd like to point out that the deepwater horizon rig was owned by transocean LEASED to BP. That means that probably the only thing on that rig that had an affiliation to BP was some stickers, a few posters and 2 blokes in a suit who said "send the oil rigs over there."

Briefly check who transocean are and you'll find that though its offices move from time to time to take advantage of tax, it's historically an american company, merged with other companies (some of them yet again US based) buti'll stop short of being as ignorant as you and suggest it may have international shareholders too, and as far as i'm concerned the accident was 60% their fault and 40% BP's stupid fault for not fixing and properly equipping the shit-shoddy equipment they leased.

A friend of mine from arkansas insisted to me when the accident happened that he had some insider info having worked in the business, and when i said i was pretty ashamed an ex-british company could get so crap, he said, "You're pretty naive, that whole damn rig was run by americans and staffed by americans."

Sorry if this was an unecessarily aggressive response to a joke, but i'm pretty sick of hearing that sort of thing. If anyone thinks that the entire crew of people working on that rig were a bunch of careless limeys, the same careless limeys who are failing to do a proper clean up, you need to look a lot closer to home.

Edit:
Bit more to add, a US based company attended the rig to fix a fault and were asked a few questions about the incident as well as cameron international (US based) who made the equipment which failed.

>> ^Entropy001:

This has to be the best coverage I've seen. I can't believe that I didn't hear anything on CNN about Transocean recommending a temporary halt in production.
I had thought they were actually responsible, as the media did report that the rig was their's.


Ya, it is an odd relationship for sure. BP owns the oil because of the leasing agreement with the USA. Transocean is in a bad position to argue because BP already OWNS the oil even before it is drilled. So, if Transocean causes to much headache, BP can just get someone else to drill. For all intents and purposes, BP is the boss because Transocean is just the labor portion of the equation. This situation points to some problems with the current state of mineral rights property rights. It is in about the same sate as intellectual property rights, you can have someone buy something with money, do nothing with it except exploit other people who want to do something about it. The current state of IP and MR in the US encourages people who have capital and do nothing over those who are people on the ground. And Obama shows no signs of reforming this discrepancy any time soon. Tighter regulations on oil drillers is almost part of the problem. What I mean is small time drillers who could potentially be more responsible because they are drilling where their families live do not have access to leasing rights due to larger oil companies being able to craft the regulation book in their favor; then just as easily dodge the regulations they just mandated.

You can see cases of this in the food industry as well. I recommend watching Food Inc. The FDA wanted to shut down this small time farming community that slaughtered their farm stock in the open air. The FDA claimed this wasn't sanitary. But ecological tests came back, their meat was many times more clean that meat form the major industrial meat factories. This really does seem to be the case of captured regulators, government corruption, and poor definitions of mineral rights. The problem of the oil rig exploding is just the Pandora's box if you will.

You sound like the Joker after Batman burns him in a vat of toxic waste - "You created me!"

>> ^quantumushroom:

...where they could be capped in less than TWO MONTHS. Also, congrats to the greens for preventing drilling in ANWR, on 1% of 1% of a people-less sheet of ice. Because caribou self-esteem is more important than energy dependency.

>> ^entr0py:
You're absolutely right. This disaster is the best proof yet that environmentalists were insane to not want oil rigs close to the shoreline.

...where they could be capped in less than TWO MONTHS. Also, congrats to the greens for preventing drilling in ANWR, on 1% of 1% of a people-less sheet of ice. Because caribou self-esteem is more important than energy dependency.


>> ^entr0py:

You're absolutely right. This disaster is the best proof yet that environmentalists were insane to not want oil rigs close to the shoreline.

>> ^quantumushroom:

It's 'green tyranny' that forces oil exploration in deep, dangerous waters instead of on land or shallow waters. Huge disconnect there.
"You" and the media elected the kenyan marxist, one of the biggest recipients of BP welfare checks. Thank goodness his incompetence matches his inexplicable hatred of capitalism.
November can't get here fast enough.


You're absolutely right. This disaster is the best proof yet that environmentalists were insane to not want oil rigs close to the shoreline.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Here's what we do know.
Obamarx is an enemy of capitalism, and Americanism
His policies are failures, as were FDR's

We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work ... After eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... And an enormous debt to boot! --Henry Morgenthau, Treasury Secretary under FDR, after 2 terms of FDR's "New Deal".
The environ-mental-cases hate oil
Obamarx is conveniently off the hook for suggesting drilling
His illegitimate regime now has an excuse--at least to themselves--to further regulate oil production, just like they've attempted to take over Wall Street, the auto industry and health care
Whether the left admits it or not, we're at war with radical muslim vermin, iran and north korea
Obamarx (wisely?) has sent stormtroopers to the oil rigs
The real sabotage is coming from the White House every day. Compared to the disasters foisted on the USA by taxocrats, a mere oil spill is a few drops from a leaking ballpoint pen.


OK...

So when FDR put "The New Deal" into effect, employment was around 37% and immediately started dropping.

http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ndchart.JPG

When Morganthau said that during FDR's second term, unemployment was at 25% and STILL DROPPING. It was still going down, not up, when we entered the war and started employing everyone.

How is that a failure?

>> ^dag:

Pardon me - but that sounds a little naive. Sole proprietors aren't going to build oil rigs. A group of people are going to get together, pool their money and invest in big projects to make a profit - and there's your corporation.


No, I agree. A group of people would certainly pool their capital for the larger projects, if there's a demand for it. That's still not the same thing as the modern day Corporations we have today, is it? They wouldn't be able to corner a market and nudge out competition like they're allowed to do now by our government. In fact competition would surge because anytime a demand is high enough the supply will rise to meet it.

That's not naive. That's economics 101. It's the naiveté of the cult of government that emboldens bad governmental polices to restrict small businesses from appropriately competing with big businesses, therefore tipping the playing field (crony capitalism). The cult of government thinks the economy should be manipulated and controlled like it's a game of WOW. To me, that's not only naive, it's dangerous.

Now downvote this comment if reading this causes cognitive dissonance.

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Pardon me - but that sounds a little naive. Sole proprietors aren't going to build oil rigs. A group of people are going to get together, pool their money and invest in big projects to make a profit - and there's your corporation. >> ^blankfist:

@dag, do we need to replace corporations with other "institutions"? How about we just let enterprising people freely create services and goods? How does that sound?
I doubt many corporations that exist today would last more than a year in a Laissez-Faire free market. Maybe Ben and Jerry's, but that's just because their ice cream is tits.

Just to bring some sanity here:

I live in a place called blackpool in england. About a year or so ago, we had a very large transport ship run aground on our beach. Our local council shut down a large portion of the beach parallel to the boat - something like an exclusion zone.

I heard various reasons from "for safety" (which completely makes sense when you have a few thousand tonnes of ship resting on its side) and "exclusion zone" (which i think means for safety) to "we don't want people stealing cargo."

I think you should just settle down a little bit before you go screeching about freedom and oppression, it could be something as simple as safety and common sense:
1. What if people get stuck in the oil/engine problems from boats/anything like that?
2. What if people exacerbate the problem in some way - intentional or accidentally whilst trying to implement some hair brained scheme of their own to 'help out'?
3. What if people think they can somehow steal the oil?

If any of this shit happens, BP would be culpable for that and they've got enough on their hands with trying to save their own fuck up. I think people should keep the hell out, personally, and give them every opportunity to fix such an important problem.

I don't mean that press shouldn't be allowed in or that we shouldn't recieve the TRUE facts and news about the ongoing disaster, just make sure BP allow helicopters and such, release the correct and full information. Do it properly, keep the sensationalism out.

Trying to take a boat straight into a disaster area where they're trying to do cleanup and limitation and they're also floating around an oil rig trying to put a cap over it - and everyone is amazed that they're saying 'err please don't do that? we're trying to solve a problem here'

No news, imo. At least from the stuff i saw in the video. There's got to be SOME rules around a disaster area, otherwise you'd get everyone hanging round making it more problematic and introducing potential further disasters and accidents.