@theali

I appreciate the response, but I didn't really post a bunch of links to have a debate about it. I don't mind being called out if I write a check that I can't cash. But you have to connect your own dots.

You're fooling yourself if you think the protests in Iran following the 2009 elections weren't a soft coup attempt. I was mistaken that a leaked State Department cable confirmed it.

Did you read the "Which Path to Persia" manual? Why didn't you respond to the "Bush sanctions 'black ops' against Iran" article. Those 2 are the smoking guns. Did you watch the "The Revolution Business - World" video? They briefly mention Iran at @5:12 Green "fist logo" (same logo as the other staged revolutions), @17:00 "revolution trainer" who "instructs the opposition movements in Iran", @22:42 clip from Iranian propaganda video depicting Gene Sharp, author of the revolution handbook being used. Iran is barely mentioned in the video because the operation was such a huge failure. And you're response to the Kissinger video is hilarious. How is sanctions working from the inside (opposed to working from the outside) to achieve regime change?

@marbles

Thanks for sharing your sources with us, I have not followed details of Syria's events, but I can respond to the articles about Iran.

Re: US trains activists to evade security forces
Offering tools that circumvent government censorship firewalls, is not instigation. Iran's government has strict rules for ISPs to share information with the government, much like the warrantless wiretapping in US. If HTTPS circumvents the wiretapping, then is IETF instigating revolution in US?

Re: 'US trains Jundullah members'
Jundullah is a terrorist group, has nothing to do with peaceful protests and civil movements in Iran.

Re: 'has intelligence agents working in Iran'
Duh, of course and Iran has intelligence working in US. Is the Wisconsin labour movement instigated by Iran? http://www.presstv.com/detail/168937.html

Re: Kissinger threatens regime change in Iran if coup fails
Kissinger said that if the government is NOT democratic, then US would work for regime change. US is doing that right now with the global sanctions on Iran. You can't take his words and say that the millions that protested after the election were all tricked by US propaganda and spies!

Re: Proof: Israeli Effort to Destabilize Iran Via Twitter #IranElection
Online activities such as twitter and facebook are reports of what's going on, not the actual events. People went to the streets and protested, they were shot, killed and prisoned. You need to look at the number of people that risked their lives to measure their force and influence, not twittes!

Re: Iranian Unrest: Evidence Of Western Intelligence Meddling
"CIA/Mossad flooding Iranians with contradicting SMS messages"
I never hear of any broadcast SMS messages in support of the protestors. Government did send threatening SMS messages to discourage people from going to protests. People SMSed each other, but that way you know the person that SMSed you. If I get a SMS from a number I don't recognize, I would just ignore it, but if my friend tells me something, then I would listen!

This is exactly how it happen (eye witness report), after they announced that Ahmadinejad won the election, it was late in the evening, people were in disbelieve, they walked out of their houses and talked with neighbors, once they saw that all around them were Mousavi supporters and no one that was cheering Ahmadinejad's victory. If Ahmadinejad has majority support in their riding, as the polling stations had reported, then where are those supporters? After that evening people knew that they has cheated, from talking to neighbors face to face, and NOT from a twitter fed for god's sake. The west learned about it from twitter, not people inside Iran!

Re: Iran busts another CIA network
Iran's government labels any dissenters as US backed agents or drug dealers. Are the people working to free Bradley Manning agents of foreign governments? Now the hard liners in Iran are accusing Ahmadinejad of initiating negotiations with US and are calling for his impeachment. US is the boogyman used to justify any action that the regime wants to take. Like the "terrorist" threat in america, used to take away people's freedoms, its not REAL!

Re: Soros, the CIA, Mossad and the new media destabilization of Iran
This article is a rehash of the previous ones, no new points here.

Just because governments are spreading propaganda against each other, it doesn't mean that the civil movements inside those countries are made up of manipulated and instigated people!
US caught off-guard by Iran sanctions
Iran to sue US over human rights abuse

@theali @dannym3141 @RedSky

U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition: report
U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups
U.S. Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprisings
U.S. funding tech firms that help Mideast dissidents evade government censors
It's Official: "Arab Spring" Subversion is US Funded
US trains activists to evade security forces
Google's Revolution Factory - Alliance of Youth Movements: Color Revolution 2.0
Former CIA agent tells: How US infiltrates "civil society" to overthrow governments
The Revolution Business - World
'US trains Jundullah members'
US 'has intelligence agents working in Iran' - 24 June 09
Kissinger threatens regime change in Iran if coup fails
Proof: Israeli Effort to Destabilize Iran Via Twitter #IranElection
Bush sanctions 'black ops' against Iran
Iranian Unrest: Evidence Of Western Intelligence Meddling
Iran busts another CIA network
Soros, the CIA, Mossad and the new media destabilization of Iran
Brookings' "Which Path to Persia?"
"Stolen Elections" Battle Cry of the Color Revolution

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Giethner worked at kissinger and associates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissinger_Associates
then the CFR, (the ultimate conservative thinktank and media clearinghouse)
then the IMF (the ultimate authority for compliance with western banking standards)
then the fed, which is privately owned by shareholder banks

You're comparing Obama to Kissinger!? I think you're confusing "malevolent skilled person" with "benevolent skilled person I don't like because my hangups".

Yeah Raaagh, me too...so this is snuff, right? Even if Thatch Sparked Up here was re-incarnated the next day into Pat Nixon's aborted love-child with Henry Kissinger, makes it like Faces of Death on the Videosift, innit?...because the cat did get all melted and re-incarnated and shit, right?....*questions afterlife scenario #12

"I've modified the video title and details, as I really don't want this video confused with the death of Thich Quang Duc, as I believe that would be disrespectful. This is still important footage in my opinion."

It's still snuffage. So everyone all holy was doing it in okra robes with petrol in Nam, doesn't mean we need to see it, eh? Show us some war crimes caught on tape...the we can get all GenevaConvection on their asses, oven...

Man, I'd make a shitty cop....

>> ^Ornthoron:
I'm as flustered as the rest of the world by this decision, but as a representative for NorwaySift, I guess it's up to me to defend some of the thinking that is the rationale behind this year's award.
It should be clear to everyone that Obama did not receive this prize for any accomplishments so far. The decision of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee rather fits in with a policy they have pursued from time to time of trying to use the prize to influence current affairs and/or gather momentum for a cause, instead of giving a pat on the shoulder for a job well done. Examples of this are the 1971 award to Willy Brandt, the 1973 award to Henry Kissinger and Lê Ðức Thọ, and the 2007 award to Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Aung San Suu Kyi might also fit into this picture. What's extraordinary this year is that it happens so soon after his inauguration, but I think the committee thought that the time to act was now instead of next year, since the whole world is still anticipating and judging what Obama is going to do. Besides, we can compare to Willy Brandt who received his prize only two years after becoming Chancellor. Obama HAS done some small moves to improve the international climate, such as opening for talks with Iran and his Cairo address. Words CAN be effective, and I suspect the latter has been an important contribution to the committee's decision. Obama's shelving of the eastern european missile shield has also been mentioned, but I don't think that qualifies at all for the Peace Prize. It was more of a reassessment of USA's strategic needs than a call for peace, or if you will a revision of the previous administration's bad strategic decisions.
But my main point is that Obama did not receive the Peace Prize FOR his deeds so far, but rather that his actions symbolize a sentiment that the Nobel Committee want to encourage. Whether their judgment is sound, only time will show. The Nobel Peace Prize has a far from perfect track record, so I won't be surprised if this award turns out to be a mistake. But I think it's too early to tell.


Yeah i buy into this a little.

Still, there are so many people out there who have worked tirelessly towards peace in various countries. Many, many leaders before Obama have done it. Probably done it better too. He's just got a lot of press. What a world.

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:
MadCow right in one respect.

Ooooh, name calling at its finest!

Yes, when people are awarded for something other than bombing the shit out of innocent people, neocon's like WP dismiss the award, the committees and the organizations entirely. Even though I'm sure he applauded it when people like Kissinger received one.

And we don't have to even discuss how the Neolib Leftists have infected the practices of Physics, Chemistry and Medicine. What a boondoggle that has been for Pelosi and her band of commie-fascist, tree-hugging, gay-married terrorists.

But giving George Tenet a "medal of freedom" for lying a country into a war, is something to be very very proud of.

>> ^EndAll:
Oh no! The highly prestigious committee that awarded the same prize to Henry fucking Kissinger back in '73?

So wait. You already have disdain for the committee, and you think it's so worthless that Kissinger won it, but you still don't think Obama deserves it?

What am I missing here, because this just doesn't make sense.

>> ^volumptuous:
>> ^EndAll:
All the apologetics and relentless justification aside, he really did not deserve it.

Well, it seems that the Norwegian Nobel Committee highly disagrees with you.


Oh no! The highly prestigious committee that awarded the same prize to Henry fucking Kissinger back in '73?

Surely I must reconsider my views if they disagree.

I'm as flustered as the rest of the world by this decision, but as a representative for NorwaySift, I guess it's up to me to defend some of the thinking that is the rationale behind this year's award.

It should be clear to everyone that Obama did not receive this prize for any accomplishments so far. The decision of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee rather fits in with a policy they have pursued from time to time of trying to use the prize to influence current affairs and/or gather momentum for a cause, instead of giving a pat on the shoulder for a job well done. Examples of this are the 1971 award to Willy Brandt, the 1973 award to Henry Kissinger and Lê Ðức Thọ, and the 2007 award to Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Aung San Suu Kyi might also fit into this picture. What's extraordinary this year is that it happens so soon after his inauguration, but I think the committee thought that the time to act was now instead of next year, since the whole world is still anticipating and judging what Obama is going to do. Besides, we can compare to Willy Brandt who received his prize only two years after becoming Chancellor. Obama HAS done some small moves to improve the international climate, such as opening for talks with Iran and his Cairo address. Words CAN be effective, and I suspect the latter has been an important contribution to the committee's decision. Obama's shelving of the eastern european missile shield has also been mentioned, but I don't think that qualifies at all for the Peace Prize. It was more of a reassessment of USA's strategic needs than a call for peace, or if you will a revision of the previous administration's bad strategic decisions.

But my main point is that Obama did not receive the Peace Prize FOR his deeds so far, but rather that his actions symbolize a sentiment that the Nobel Committee want to encourage. Whether their judgment is sound, only time will show. The Nobel Peace Prize has a far from perfect track record, so I won't be surprised if this award turns out to be a mistake. But I think it's too early to tell.

If Kissinger can win it while bombing Cambodia, I don't see why BHO can't take their privately decided prize.

That's Henry Kissinger's brain tumour. He was removed back in the late 50s.