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Eric Hovind Debates a 6th Grader

shinyblurry says...

My justification is simply that it has a good track record. If you are really trying to say that I am unreasonable to assume that all physical laws will remain more or less unchanged for the next five seconds then you demonstrate your own stupidity.

The main problem with your justification is that it is logically fallacious. You're still using circular reasoning. Your evidence that the future will be like the past is the past. Is it correct reasoning to use logical fallacies?

You haven't demonstrated that we need to know anything with absolute certainty. Is there any practical value to it?

Can you show me one instance where knowing that something has been the case in every conceivable instance since the dawn of time is just too vague for you?

Things seem to hum along just fine under the crazy assumption that breathing in and out is the way to go.


Well, the thing is, we live in a world of certainty, not uncertainty. What this means is that you are living a double life of sorts. You are uncertain about everything in theory, but of course you never live that way in practice; you expect everything to continue as it has from the beginning of the Creation. You expect that when you jump up you will come back down again. You expect when you say the words "juniper tree" that the sound waves will carry those words to the other persons ear, and they, using universal rules of logic, will comprehend what you're talking about. You are living according to the ideals of a Christian worldview, but simultaneously denying it with your atheism.

Did you know, for instance, that the idea in science of nature being lawfully ordered is a Christian one? It was supposed by 12 century Christians who believed that the Universe was governed by Gods laws, and that we could suss out these universal laws by investigating secondary causes. Here is some of the history of all of that:

http://bede.org.uk/sciencehistory.htm#introduction

So this world of certainty we live in is based in no small way off of Christian ideals and principles. You could not actually justify any of it unless you invoke an omnipotent God who created and maintains all of these things, and will continue to do so. So, the argument is the impossibility of the contrary, which is not only a denial of the world of certainty that we live in, but also the loss of any basis for rational thought.

shveddy said:

My justification is simply that it has a good track record. If you are really trying to say that I am unreasonable to assume that all physical laws will remain more or less unchanged for the next five seconds then you demonstrate your own stupidity.

You haven't demonstrated that we need to know anything with absolute certainty. Is there any practical value to it?

Can you show me one instance where knowing that something has been the case in every conceivable instance since the dawn of time is just too vague for you?

Things seem to hum along just fine under the crazy assumption that breathing in and out is the way to go.

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Without You - Junip

evil_disco_man says...

Where I saw him was a very small, intimate setting as well. That type of atmosphere makes it even better.

>> ^kir_mokum:

i've been able to see him (in a church with amazing acoustics), him opening for and then playing with zero 7, and junip which was at a very small movie theatre and was akin to being high on some fantastic warm drugs. everything he does is gold.>> ^evil_disco_man:
>> ^kir_mokum:
these guys are fucking amazing live.

Got to see Jose Gonzalez live, and agree - he's one of those artist/singers that sounds even better live.


Without You - Junip

kir_mokum says...

i've been able to see him (in a church with amazing acoustics), him opening for and then playing with zero 7, and junip which was at a very small movie theatre and was akin to being high on some fantastic warm drugs. everything he does is gold.>> ^evil_disco_man:

>> ^kir_mokum:
these guys are fucking amazing live.

Got to see Jose Gonzalez live, and agree - he's one of those artist/singers that sounds even better live.

Without You - Junip

luxury_pie (Member Profile)

oritteropo says...

I can report that the one in the photos went extremely well with beef sausages and wholegrain mustard.

Thanks for your answer, you've confirmed that we've been calling it exactly what a German would most likely call it too (except perhaps in German and not English).

I would put in a few juniper berries too if they were more obtainable here.
In reply to this comment by luxury_pie:
hi there,
never heard of a name for it, though I'm not a specialist on German cuisine I can imagine that for having around a million recipes for "sauerkraut and potatoes" there is no special name other than what it consists of. It's definitely a popular side dish around here. Fits amazingly well with any kind of meat, i.e. salted pork leg, roast, steak, etc.

In reply to this comment by oritteropo:
Greetings and salutations.

Something's been bugging me... I cook this dish which starts with onion and carraway seeds cooked in olive oil, then I add parboiled potato and coat with oil, then cover with sauerkraut and cook on the back burner on low heat until the rest of my meal is done. Actually that part doesn't bug me at all, it's extremely yummy : What does bug me though is not knowing whether this is a German dish, whether it's all or only part of Germany, and what it's called. Photos for reference:

http://s1100.photobucket.com/albums/g409/oritteropo/food%20glorious
%20food/


oritteropo (Member Profile)

alien_concept says...

He's quite music oriented like you. I've told him where to go when he visits here next time

In reply to this comment by oritteropo:
You'd be quite correct then, I don't mind at all. I didn't think a whole lot of the video, but the song makes up for it.

I actually thought I'd visited edm's pqueue, but when I checked there are all these cool vids that I have never seen : I've voted up some of his sifted ones, so I must've checked out his queue instead of his pqueue, or just got confused.
In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
Seeing as your highest voted vid is Jose Gonzalez, I thought it likely that you wouldn't mind helping this through :

http://videosift.com/video/Black-Refuge-Junip-1


alien_concept (Member Profile)

oritteropo says...

You'd be quite correct then, I don't mind at all. I didn't think a whole lot of the video, but the song makes up for it.

I actually thought I'd visited edm's pqueue, but when I checked there are all these cool vids that I have never seen I've voted up some of his sifted ones, so I must've checked out his queue instead of his pqueue, or just got confused.
In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
Seeing as your highest voted vid is Jose Gonzalez, I thought it likely that you wouldn't mind helping this through :

http://videosift.com/video/Black-Refuge-Junip-1

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