>> ^quantumushroom:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
In a closed, self-sustaining environment, scientists couldn't even keep the oxygen levels up. But they can control the entire earth's climate.
Where's all this mighty religious skepticism when the green-weenies come a-calling? Christians aren't trying to destroy the world's economies with scams like crap-and-trade and carbon credits.
You leftists think you're so attuned to who seeks power versus who will rule benevolently (you, for instance)?
I DEFY YOU.


Sorry quantum, but your analogy is bunk. There is a very big difference between trying to create a life-sustaining environment from scratch and trying to stop people from continuing to do things which theoretically could be contributing to global warming.

That said, the problem with your little mind is that you lump all "leftists" together as if we all go to one meeting and like bees think alike. The funny thing is that I don't quite believe that the measures the "green" folks are recommending will make much of a difference. I've been to the alps and seen the glaciers now compared to what they were 50 years ago and I feel that this process may be natural to a certain extent.

Mind you: You only have to look at the smog in LA to know that humans HAVE an effect on their environment. Be it the trash you see everywhere, the smog, the fewer fish in the sea as we over-fish, etc. it IS an effect of our being here and we can only benefit from trying to think responsibly about the way we consume.

Unfortunately, there are many in the right wing, as you appear to be, who seem to think that an old white guy in the sky is just going to magically provide for us when the shit hits the fan.

As for your jibes at the democrats who have the white-house for less than a year, funny, you'd think after 8 glorious years of Republican rule the would have handed over a perfect nation!

Unless you are Einstein...or Newton...or Galileo...or any scientist who has ever created a new hypothesis

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>> ^imstellar28:
consensus has nothing to do with fact, so it really doesn't matter even if 100% of scientists believe something.
If my position disagrees with "100% of scientists," then I'm probably going to recheck my data.

>> ^imstellar28:
consensus has nothing to do with fact, so it really doesn't matter even if 100% of scientists believe something.
If my position disagrees with "100% of scientists," then I'm probably going to recheck my data.

Though I think Clarke stated it best: "For every expert there is an equal and opposite expert."
This is particularly true in the climate-change debate.

The argument is not about whether the climate is changing. the question is, did mankind (and specifically C02 emissions) cause it?

consensus has nothing to do with fact, so it really doesn't matter even if 100% of scientists believe something.

To put carbon emissions in perspective, the average human breathes approximately 15 times a minute, over the course of the day this adds up to approximately 0.9 kg of C02, so in a year each human produces 328.5 kg of C02 just in the act of breathing alone. There are just over six and a half billion humans living on earth, so by simply being alive humans produce 328.5 * 6.6 / 1000 = 2.168 billion tonnes of C02 per year.

Here are some other numbers for comparison:

Global industrial C02 emissions: 24.16 billion tonnes per year
Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes: 220 billion tonnes per year
The ocean as part of the carbon cycle: 330 billion tonnes tonnes per year

total human impact is 2.2168 + 24.16 = 26.3768 billion tonnes, or 26.3768 / (220 + 330) = 4.7957% of total C02 emission

total animal/bacterial impact is 220 / (330 + 24.16) = 62.11% of total C02 emission

Seeing ice melt, or droughts occur may say something about climate change but it says nothing of the cause of such a change. The cause of the change is what is causing controversy, not the change itself.

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>> ^raverman:
I'm truly amazed when i hear people say they don't "believe" in global warming.
You can SEE million year old ice melting in greenland.
You can SEE unpresedented 10-15 year doughts in Australia & Africa
Around the world 95% of scientists are BEGGING us to avoid disaster.
Whats not to believe? Scientists because they discredit religion?
or just 'in principle' because of a right wing prejudice against environmentalists? It's just so damn petty and closed minded.

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>> ^quantumushroom:
Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.
It wouldn't have gotten this far without egotistical half-wits like Al Snore given a spotlight, but more so from legions of Gaia-worshipping rabid enviro-mental-cases, who want to see all human life destroyed to "save Mother Earth".
"Bible-Man" may be delusional but he doesn't think he's God or feels qualified to rule others without question.
Unlike the statists.



Ok, you got me, I laughed out loud, literally, and my co-workers looked at me funny. You get +1 internets for the day! Well done!

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>> ^quantumushroom:
Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.

Just as a nota bene, "Pig-Fucking Ignorant" isn't a compliment.

Not entirely true, the bible lists pi as 3 ...which is almost correct.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%207:23;&version=9;

"1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about."

>> ^Skeeve:
The bible contains no science

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>> ^Maze:
>> ^quantumushroom:
Man-made global warming is the biggest hoax--and crime--ever perpetrated on the human race. It's the same wealth and freedom-destroying socialist horsesh;t only wrapped in green tinfoil.
It wouldn't have gotten this far without egotistical half-wits like Al Snore given a spotlight, but more so from legions of Gaia-worshipping rabid enviro-mental-cases, who want to see all human life destroyed to "save Mother Earth".
"Bible-Man" may be delusional but he doesn't think he's God or feels qualified to rule others without question.
Unlike the statists.

Instead of being so angry about it, why not educate yourself? Global warming wouldn't have gotten this far without people muddying the waters and ignoring the science.


Unfortunately ... far too many do not 'believe' in what science states, and as a result, in their minds,it isn't true. The logic? I believe in Leprechauns.. thus they are real.

Having a brain is not a prerequisite to being a living entity. This fact is often reinforced by the blindly religious.

>> ^jiyanibi:
Haha...at :25 it looks like the blonde in the back gives a look like "Is this guy seriously reading from the bible?"


I saw that too