Original Sin doctrine is false and made-up, and many Christians do not believe it.

God endowed us with agency and agents have the freedom to make good or evil choices, as Lucifer did. Evil is a self-existing eternal principle. Without evil in the premordial time Lucifer would not have had free will. He was an imperfect being endowed with agency. Bad things happened. What else can I say?

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4. 'God doesn't send people to Hell'.
Ah the Original Sin paradox. Damned at birth, for an ancient offense you didn't commit, an offense which god couldn't/wouldn't forsee and prevent in his own creation, yet somehow it's still YOUR fault if you go to hell?

How is that Just?

And how did Sin originate anyway? In the perfect sinless multiverse that god created where did the angel Lucifer =get= the notion of jealosy and rebellion from in the first place? They weren't pre-existent and they didn't spontaneously pop into existence by themselves so where did they come from? If there was no sin how did sin come into being?

http://www.videosift.com/talk/Cheeeeeeeeesefest
dude, read ^that thread and you'll see why I submitted the vid! How 'bout a vote for the cause?

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ack! ack! i didn't even last 15 seconds before clicking stop! barf-o-rific! ptui!

I soooooo agree with you memo.

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nobody gives a flying phk about "matt". Some rich boy with nothing better to do jets around the world and does a hamster dance. big phking deal.

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war corporatism - Daddy Warbucks in the Little Orphan Annie comic strip ~1925

According to the Many Worlds theory- an interpretation of quantum mechanics that is undergoing a kind of renaissance of examination- the quantum level events DO scale to the macro level, we in our universe only perceive one possible quantum outcome but all other possibilities are simultaneously occurring in other parallel universes. Therefore Schrodinger's cat may be dead in our universe, but is wholly alive in another. The waveform function of our Macro universe does not collapse at all- all possibilities exist.

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maybe siftbot is operating in some parallel universe where time is sped up.

In these physics videos one thing they never offer an explaination for is why the quantum level events don't scale up and occur on our macro level since everything is made up of sub-atomic particles organized as atoms. As with the Schroedinger's Cat paradox it would be kind of disappointing to finally discover a unified theory of everything, only to learn that it really doesn't matter since it doesn't scale up to mundane reality and therefore only "exists" as a theoretical concept. (personally i think the notion that the cat is both dead AND alive simultaneaously and observation determines which, is a lot of mathematical bs, ie it's not Really true except on paper but then i'm not a cosmologist or metaphysicist so what do i know)

Also, a simpler question that has an answer but i just don't know what it is...
with all the anti-matter positrons bombarding the planet via cosmic rays, don't they ever bang into some electrons and create a tiny but big enough to be measured matter/anti-matter explosion? Sure matter is mostly empty (or not so empty apparently) space and possible collisions are few, but cloud chambers indicate tons of these thigns zipping around so Howcome there's not bazillions of these tiny explosions going off all around us constantly?

If it does wind up Hillary vs Rudy, you may very well be right, Memo.

But if, even only in my imagination, it wound up being Kucinich vs Paul? Whole new ballgame. The 'system' is what we, the people, make it.

Chin up, it's a long year coming.

ps. I don't know what you said to piss off Gunny, below, and don't wanna' know.
I'm thumbing up his comment only because I don't think he'd remind anyone, of what he told you back then, without good reason. And I'm glad you decided not to delete it. You both seem like way cool ppl so far. 'K?

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Sadly we'll be watching a similar video 4 years from now regardless of whether it's Hilary or Rudy or whoever gets the job next time. The whole system is rotten.

That's awesome Memorare. Yeah, personal attacks are on? Fine. You're not going to find me sitting in the green zone or in Kuwait, or even floating off shore.
Ever heard of the Sunni Triangle of death? Guess what, asshole? That's where I was.
Hmm... I find the physics hard to work out over this next one: If I'm sitting in the green zone, off shore or in Kuwait, then please, memorare, PLEASE explain to me why 1) I've been shot at, 2) I've shot at others, 3) I've killed others, 4)I've been mortared countless times, and 5)I feared for my life on a regular basis.

Ever walked down a crowded Iraqi street not knowing if it will be the last time that you'll walk? Or even BREATHE!?!

You don't think that I haven't shed tears for my fellow Marines, soldiers and sailors that have lost their lives in that conflict? That I had to use all the strength that I had to not cry when I was standing at attention saluting my fallen comrades, my friends in their remembrance ceremony?

If you weren't so quick to make an ass out of yourself, you might have fucking noticed that the US isn't going to end the war anytime soon. All I was saying is that by staying put, we're saving lives that would otherwise be risked in a move.

hey dood, I'm trying to send you a reply to one of your comments, but VS is having trouble posting it. my email is randalltmoore@sbcglobal.net

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“how the messages were translated into other langauges and then edited and how they've changed the meaning through subsequent editions, langauges and versions.

Quite the contrary, one of the few strong points of the current bible, particularly the New Testament gospels and letters, is that it is approximately 98% identical in meaning to the earliest available greek manuscripts which date to the late 1st century.

Whether the scripture is true or not is another question, but at least the translation of the material and the =meaning= of the words has remained nearly 100% true to the earliest texts.”