Excellent. Rational logical thought will trump staid religious dogma everytime.

Bald guy is correct that Jesus offers salvation from guilt.

absolution from guilt usually goes like this:
* admit you're wrong
* commit to paying the price
* change your behavior
* get forgiven

this is how it is. period.
forgiving people doesn't make the act of forgiveness into an amoral act. Obvious to me. You can say God is amoral because he allowed it (but this is a different distortion)

I suppose if you had a corrupt judge who forgave the sentences of murderers, that would be a example of amoral behavior. is it christian forgiveness? Never.

>> ^marinara:

Bald guy is correct that Jesus offers salvation from guilt.
absolution from guilt usually goes like this:
admit you're wrong
commit to paying the price
change your behavior
get forgiven
this is how it is. period.
forgiving people doesn't make the act of forgiveness into an amoral act. Obvious to me. You can say God is amoral because he allowed it (but this is a different distortion)
I suppose if you had a corrupt judge who forgave the sentences of murderers, that would be a example of amoral behavior. is it christian forgiveness? Never.


It's amoral because that's exactly how Christianity is set up. Murderers, rapists, and child molesters (not unlike those found in the Catholic church) can be "saved" and be spared sentencing. Did you not listen to the whole vid? You might want to watch it again.

Plus, regular, law-abiding, decent, moral people have no wrongdoing to admit.

What about original sin, you say?

So it's perfectly cool to condemn the child for the crimes of the father? Just dandy, is that right? That's okie-dokie, am I understanding that correctly? Scapegoating, I believe that's called. That's perfectly moral, is it?

And what crime are we talking about? Violating the law, you say? The law of "do not eat from this tree." So no laws are unjust? Walking your pet squirrel on the first & third Saturdays of the month will result in a $500 fine. You think that's peachy, do you?

God was the one who supposedly set this whole system up. Couldn't he have just provided forgiveness WITHOUT the sadistic torture of a fellow human being? WITHOUT blood sacrifice? Just a simple: "you're forgiven" and be on our way? That might've approached something similar to morality.

It baffles me that you people can look at this and massage your brains into believing this to be a moral system.

Baffled. <- Me.

First, regular people aren't morally good and you know it.
And if christians condemn someone for a crime that really isn't a crime, well of course that's wrong.
As for God torturing and killing Jesus, that's applying human traits to God, which is generally ridiculous.

I challenge you to plainly state why christianity is amoral. If I can forgive spilt milk, then I can forgive something much greater. Doesn't make it amoral.