Another thing wrong with this: they arrested the kid who took the video.

Things are getting pretty fucked up.

How do we justify arresting someone for recording an event?

And still call this "America"?

And still call this "America"?

at least she wasn't tasered

"This story wouldn't have been a hint of a blip in 1955 - much less in 1850."

Neither would a witch burning story. Do we still burn witches? Do we? Do we still believe in witch burning?

Did they have the internet in 1955? Eh?

What about the Nuremburg trials? What about the Geneva convention? Are neither of those progress enough for America? Luther King? Malcom X?

Jim Morrison?
Mark Twain?

What about a man on the moon? What about showing human beings their planet from space for the first time in the history of mankind?


All of these things are the birthright of every American and they are being desecrated in broad daylight by the very same people who brought you the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Why do some people *still* not see it?

^Because not everyone has your paradigm.

"Historically, American racial prejudices, gender prejudices, authoritarian tendencies, and dislike of "whiners" and "rats" may have kept a story like this out of mainstream attention."

I see you're pining for the good old days.

No, I don't think it should be called America. It should be called “America*” like Iraq should be called “Iraq*” .

If you think that suspending habeas corpus, bragging about torture, and arresting and detaining people indefinitely, without charge, is "progress" then your notion of "progress" is most assuredly different from mine.

* - a country under the hostile occupation of forces that have distain not only for the law, but for justice itself.

I see you're pining for the good old days.

If you think that suspending habeas corpus, bragging about torture, and arresting and detaining people indefinitely, without charge, is "progress" then your notion of "progress" is most assuredly different from mine.

jmzero - listen, if you want to make excuses justifying how bad things are now based on how much worse they used to be, you're not saying a hell of a lot.

Gay rights is progress, yes. What the hell is your point?

The girl's wrist was broken for a petty offense, and what's worse to me is that the person who recorded the event was arrested. I have a problem with that; you apparantly don't.

"What America are you comparing the current situation to that you think it's so bad against?"

The America that lives up to its words. The America that was in the hearts of the Civil Rights movement and not in the passivity of people like you who say "Quit yer bitchin, it used to be worse."

I have a very good sense of history - you have a poor grasp of progress, and a laughable method of argument.

Your entire argument is this: stop complaining, it used to be worse.

Your entire argument is this: stop complaining, it used to be worse.

Things are getting pretty fucked up. And still call this "America"?

"Quit yer bitchin, it used to be worse."

"I didn't say that. My point was "quit suggesting it used to be better"."

It was better under Clinton.

“Iraq is just a blip compared to Vietnam.”

So now we’re not supposed to say or do anything about Iraq until it gets as bad as Vietnam?

“Melodramatic.”

Melodramatic is acting like the world is going to end because you can’t have ice cream for desert.

America is under the control of a secretive administration that has no qualms with locking people up without charge, and spying on its own citizens. It is currently threatening a nuclear first strike on Iran. There is strong evidence that they stole two presidential elections and will not hesitate to steal a third. They blocked investigations into 9/11. Our debt is skyrocketing, our dollar is weakening, and thousands of innocent people are being killed or injured every week. Those are very real and pressing problems which concern me greatly.

On top of all that, we are seeing more and more overzealous police/security forces and little indication that the trend will subside. In this case, a girl’s wrist was broken over some spilled cake, and the student who recorded the incident was arrested.

There’s nothing melodramatic about it.

In one of your posts above you equated people who report police brutality with “whiners” and “rats.”

That says more about the real you than you will ever realize.

If you think things are getting better under the Bush administration, and that they will fix themselves of their own accord, your ignorance should be registered with the local authorities.

I doubt you're Canadian. You're one of the local republican retards hiding behind an alternate nic. You're a conservative or a republican because, as our government did with the Patraeus/Betray Us incident, you focused more on the criticism, and ignored the veracity of its message.