Wow, I guess we have Chomsky on the mind. I posted a Chomsky video less than a minute after you.

I lost all respect for Chomsky the day that he said we should just forget and ignore any incriminating evidence of govt. involvement/compliance of 9/11 if it is found that beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did play a part in the destruction of the trade centers and the 4 flights of that day. This one statement by him shattered any credibility he has.

When did he say that? Maybe he was just saying that there wasn't any good evidence for it and people should move on.

The illusion that most Americans who are calling for reasonable heath care (socialized, so you think) buy into, is that providing it to everyone will somehow miraculously give everyone full-access to dependable, reliable treatment-

The facts are thus: we have in the United States, way better facilities, doctors, and care than F, C, Cuba (for crissakes, are you kidding???) etc-The problem is simple:
Most monkeys are ignorant, simpering, fools who, A: Fear their own demise over all else the planet has to offer, and B: know absolute DICK about keeping themselves away from a doctor's office, because their diet is so fucked up-

Food is the poison my friends, and genetics and surprise conditions aside, the burden on the United States health care system comes from the poor (who are ignorant regarding nutrition) and ILLEGAL FUCKING ALIENS, you absolute dipshitz, who want the government to take care of you cradle to the fucking grave, GET A GRIP-

To suggest, that the reason you are going to vote for any of the candidates running on some illusory ticket which includes some universal health care scenario, reveals the absolute mind-fucking ignorance of that justification.

You want to blame the government??..Fine. You are an idiot.
You want to begin to understand the dynamics of the big picture, blame insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, and yourselves for being so wide fucking asleep all your lives, regarding the whys behind the whats.

I carry no insurance-I need health care, I go and get whatever stitches or bones set that I need.....for free, without insurance-when I can afford to buy health insurance, I will do so when I need to avail myself of those services, at that time-This is the wonder, of being white and polite, in America


get rid of the invaders from Mexico, get rid of the World Bank, get rid of 1 percent of the world controlling the other 99%, take back what has been stolen from you, and miraculously, you may begin to see some real change......to hem and haw about ancillary issues like this, is like looking through a telescope from mars at Earth on a cloudy day-diversion

It also comes from the assholes who stock their convenience stores with nothing but junkfood and booze. That's about 3/4 of the food-selling stores in the country that don't have anything remotely healthy for sale except bottled water and juice, and if you're lucky they'll have cold cuts or peanut butter and white bread. It's rare that they'll have any vegetables or anything with a protein:fat ratio better than 1:1 that isn't loaded with extreme amounts of salt. When will soy protein be sold on every street corner?

Choggie, I have done a fair deal of research into the topic of Single Payer Health care systems and I have to object to your glib and one sided presentation of the topic.

First suggesting that the distribution of health care resources is an 'ancillary issue' that we 'hem and haw over' is really selling the issue short. People live and die based on the stance we take. While you could validly argue that there are more important issues out there, that does not mean that this individual issue is unimportant.

Secondly your description of America's top notch health care only truly applies to the clinics that are available to those with enough money. Meanwhile many lower/lower middle class Americans choose not to completely mortgage their future and wind up far more ill or dead because of this decision. While America does have the best health care in the world, its limited availability has resulted in America having one of the shortest life expectancies and highest infant mortality rates in the western world.

Third, the flaws that are admittedly present in more socialized health care systems are not sufficient to completely disregard it as a possibility. People are often forced to wait and taxes would be noticeably higher. However, all Americans would be able to go to see medical professionals, even when they do not require emergency medical care.

Finally, a more socialized health care system could be beneficial to our economy. Though taxes would rise, people would not be paying the same ungodly insurance rates or hospital bills. People would feel far more financial freedom as they can now spend more of their hard earned money on themselves, without having to worry about one injury putting them in the poor house.

While I admit that their are valid objections to socialized health care/ health insurance, the hostile rejection it often receives is completely unneeded. We can discuss the topic without resorting to narrow mindedness, generalizations or petty name calling.

>> ^jwray:
When did he say that? Maybe he was just saying that there wasn't any good evidence for it and people should move on.

It's actually been sifted, but I couldn't find it with a quick search. But I think, Patriot, that you missed his point. What I took away from that were two things. One, the notion that it was an inside job would require a conspiracy of absurd proportions, including thousands of people who were not "members of the elite". Second, and perhaps more importantly, even if we assume that it's true, and could be proven, then what? It would not be a simple matter of impeaching a few administration officials. The obscene amount of time and effort involved in proving the conspiracy would be dwarfed by the amount of time and money it would take to "make things right". In other words, for better or worse, this is the system we have, and we can choose to rail against it to little effect, or we can work within it to bring about good changes. Compare it to the possibly valid notion that Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Again, even if it were true, what would have been the point of proving it? A bit of mostly ineffectual legislation enacted once the horse has left the barn?

We have bigger things on our plate, like, um, the degrading healthcare system.

>> ^choggie:
Most monkeys are ignorant, simpering, fools who, A: Fear their own demise over all else the planet has to offer,
get rid of [the] 1 percent of the world controlling the other 99%

choggie, of all people, I can't believe you would put those two ideas in one comment. Don't you realize that the former is the cause of the latter? It is, unfortunately, the "natural" state of human affairs.