doesn't mention our wars by proxy, but still...
only reason i like moyers is that he is on our side
at least he doesn't worship the press like charlie rose does

1) Before rooking the fooled-all-the-time half of voters, BHO called Afghanistan a 'war of necessity'.

2) "Social contract?" I didn't know Moyers wrote fiction!

3) So where is Moyers' non-liberal "fair use" counterpart? Or does he solely get to whine on the taxpayer dime? Never mind all that, only FOX is biased!

4) "Spread the suffering." Finally, an honest liberal.

5) Accountability for Washington's Wars? Start with the war on poverty. 2.5 trillion down the shtter over 50 years with nothing to show for it.

Only 2% of the population of the USA, has served in Afghanistan. If Mr. Moyers is correct, the current price of Afghanistan is $65 billion. And each additional, 1000 troops, costs us $1 billion more. The sad thing is, Iraq costed $3 trillion over six years (that's $500 billion/year), and well known it had NOTHING to do with 9/11, Al-Quadia, or Ossama.

So, the concept of a 'draft' is easy for someone like Mr. Moyers. He won't be drafted, and so has no fear of it. I myself, would not be drafted. But I'm not a supporter of it. While Mr. Moyer and myself could be liberal thinkers, we do differ on one subject. A draft would simply allow the military more lambs to the slaughter (i.e. Vietnam), rather then tone down or eliminate our presence in that country. Ultimately, we as Americans should seriously ask what we have to gain, by staying in Afhganistan.

Quantumushroom,

1) I seem to recall those responsible for 9/11, were from Afghanistan, and NOT, Iraq. Yet, we plunge a HUGE investment in to Iraq and not more then a few dimes towards the fight in Afghanistan. Bush took his eye off the ball to pursue a vendette with Saddam. So, as such, we should have focus our attention on Afghanistan, and did the job right. But, we can't ask republicans to do their job correctly. If they did, Mr. McCain would be President McCain. Oh, and Palin would be CP (shudder). Its an unusual world we live in.

2) The contract, Mr. Moyer refers to, is how we Americans treat our own citizenry. The current social injustice, is how health care companies, worry more about their bonuses and paychecks, then the citizens of the country. That one would think, they keep costs low, to increase the profit margin. Yet, when they can't, they raise prices and premiunms. However, as we've seen, the contuining trend of the health care companies, just raising premiums by 18% (number reported by gallup.com), to help pay for their out of control paychecks and bonuses. Oppoents of Mr. Obama (like you), condend that the Health Care bill, will costs to much, @ $1 trillion, and hope us liberals, are just as dumb as you are. Yes, as I've stated above, we liberals know ALL about the cost of Iraq, and how 'useful' it was on the 'War on Terror'. So, Quantum, buddy, pal, could you point out where all those nuclear weapons of mass destruction, we were suppose to have found in Iraq?

3) Fox News isn't bias. To be bias in journalism, one has to be creditible first. Fox New, blew all its credibility during the Bush/Cheney Administration. All us liberals get to sit back and listen to conservatives look like idiots for fun

4)I already pointed out my thoughts on the Draft, above.

5) Yeah, $3 Trillion for a war that had no WMD, did not restore the country to viability (I'm sure Iraq will have a civil war sooner or later), and it WAS, for the oil. Yes, if Mr. Bush had been accountable with tax payer money, we wouldn't have the HUGE deficit we have now. He thought, by giving three seperate 'tax breaks', that would applease people. He just didn't tell anyone that he increased our debt to a size, LARGER, then any President before him. In fact, the last four presidents to have entered and left, the White House, except one, increased the US deficit by an alarming rate. That one guy, was Mr. Clinton....a Democrat. Now, we have another Democrat, that will have to figure a way to reduce the deficit, in time, for a republican to spend like crazy.

Ultimately, we as Americans should seriously ask what we have to gain, by staying in Afhganistan.

Agreed.

Quantumushroom,

1) I seem to recall those responsible for 9/11, were from Afghanistan, and NOT, Iraq.

That's why we went after the talibarfs in Afghanistan there first.

Yet, we plunge a HUGE investment in to Iraq and not more then a few dimes towards the fight in Afghanistan.

And you would've been happy if those investments were reversed? No liberal ever "sees the need" for war. That's why no one trusts them with national defense.

Bush took his eye off the ball to pursue a vendette with Saddam. So, as such, we should have focus our attention on Afghanistan, and did the job right. But, we can't ask republicans to do their job correctly. If they did, Mr. McCain would be President McCain. Oh, and Palin would be CP (shudder). Its an unusual world we live in.

You will get your chance to demand the world of Republicans, starting in 2010.


2) The contract, Mr. Moyer refers to, is how we Americans treat our own citizenry.

It doesn't exist. It's not enumerated in the Constitution. We can argue over years whether FDR's socialist hijacking of the intent and meaning of the Constitution was worth it. We do know we can't afford it.

So, Quantum, buddy, pal, could you point out where all those nuclear weapons of mass destruction, we were suppose to have found in Iraq?

Ask Bill Clinton. He believed they were there as did most of the world's intelligence agencies. Saddam's top-ranked Air Force general claims they were smuggled into Syria. And what did Saddam gas his own people with years before? Soap bubbles? It would've been better not to have given the prck 12 years of toothless UN threats and then warn him when we were actually coming.

3) Fox News isn't bias. To be bias in journalism, one has to be creditible first. Fox New, blew all its credibility during the Bush/Cheney Administration. All us liberals get to sit back and listen to conservatives look like idiots for fun

Well, your biased MSM is dying the ratings death it richly deserves, and the state-controlled media fools will cheerlead for Obama like he was the cap'n of the Titanic.


4)I already pointed out my thoughts on the Draft, above.

Liberal beliefs are skewered towards believing life is a lottery, and the winners must be punished by a huge and fair government. Also, liberals believe economics is a zero-sum game: for someone to win, someone else must lose. Wrong and wrong.


5) Yeah, $3 Trillion for a war that had no WMD, did not restore the country to viability (I'm sure Iraq will have a civil war sooner or later), and it WAS, for the oil. Yes, if Mr. Bush had been accountable with tax payer money, we wouldn't have the HUGE deficit we have now. He thought, by giving three seperate 'tax breaks', that would applease people. He just didn't tell anyone that he increased our debt to a size, LARGER, then any President before him. In fact, the last four presidents to have entered and left, the White House, except one, increased the US deficit by an alarming rate. That one guy, was Mr. Clinton....a Democrat. Now, we have another Democrat, that will have to figure a way to reduce the deficit, in time, for a republican to spend like crazy.

There's no point retreading the same arguments. The Iraqis are in charge of their own destiny now, and weren't libs the original "hope he fails" crew towards Bush & Iraq? If you cynically believe that Republicans are always out for big business and the bottom line while Taxocrats are generous wealth-redistributors obsessed with "justice" and the little guy, that's your bag. The facts are there for all to see. Life is unfair. Tax cuts work. Small government works. Distrusting and therefore keeping an eye on government works.

Obama's plans are not working, and they wouldn't work if there were no Republicans at all. And Moyers should get his own show on a network that has competitive ratings. He's the Air America of TV!

You haven't taken mushrooms have you QM

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