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arvanaAnother report here: http://www.videosift.com/video/Saltwater-into-fire
Constitutional_PatriotWhere's Gluonium? I want to hear his almighty philosophies on this.
Doc_MYay Erie. My home town. It was weird to see my news casters on VS.
AbductedWonder if they ever will be able to reduce the power needed for it to ignite enough for it to be self powered from the flame. I don't think that will happen in the near future.
I bet that flame couldn't power a R/C car transmitter.
JonaHansensays...I don't know where gluonium is, and this is my first comment,
but this has to be bullshit. All the energy is being supplied by the
RF field, and a lot more is being put in than is available
in the "flame" of dissociated hydrogen and oxygen from the water,
if that is what it is (it may just be plasma from RF ionization).
Otherwise it would violate the laws of thermodynamics,
which even Einstein said were the most elegant and solid, being
based on minimal assumptions, as well as conservation of energy. What it
does demonstrate is the blinding stupidity/ignorance of not only people,
but also the news media. Remember the cold fusion fiasco? Any
scientist or engineer worth their salt, so to speak, would not give
this idea a second's thought, any more than the hoax videos like the one
purporting to show how to make water burn by putting two AA
cells in it for 45 minutes. Woof!
bleedingsnowmanIt does take more energy to charge the water with radio waves which is what they are trying to improve. However, it still would not be violating the laws of thermodynamics because the flame’s cost is the integrity of the water molecules which break down into hydrogen and oxygen.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/14/saltwater.fire/
JonaHansensays...I'm not disputing that it might be useful to turn water into
hydrogen and oxygen for ease of transport and use, but one
main corollary of thermodynamics is that "there ain't no free
lunch". Even if this was electrolysis via RF (which I doubt;
look at the miniscule bubbles - they can't support that size
flame) and was 100 percent efficient, all you've done is converted
the electrical energy into chemical energy. This is measured
in one way by Gibbs free energy for 2H2O -> 2H2 + O2, what
one could call "the integrity of the water molecule", which
is really the difference in free energy of the bonds in
water and the gases 2H2 and O2. What it looks like to me
is similar to what happens when you put a candle in a microwave
oven. Check out these videos:
and
The first shows the plasma can be initiated on the smoke alone,
while the second shows the plasma dissociated from the flame once
it gets started. I think that what is happening in this saltwater
situation is a little salty water is ejected from the tube which
then starts a plasma going, which is constrained to appear as a flame
because the RF is restricted to the area above the tube, rather
than the whole cavity of a microwave, where the plasma can rise to the
top of the inverted glass.
JonaHansensays...Sorry - don't know how to get the links in there, huh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o_EYPSPMLE
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0qr6v9icmQ
dgandhiDue to the "spark plug" test they showed it look like this is plasma, not fire. If the reaction is plasma, then all the power is coming from the RF, and nothing is gained, except a light show to display to the local news.
bleedingsnowmanSo basically he's looking for investors. But still, even knowing that it's bull****, how would it be a free lunch if he is putting in more energy than he is getting out of it.
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