Sagemind... there is nothing to "get" about racism, or xenophobia. It's just ignorance.

Yup, racism and xenophobia aren't exclusive to quantummushroom and his fellow white-hood wearing club members.

Japan has a long and shameful history of this kind of shit. Hell, it overtook the entire nation in the 1930s.

Shooting blanks.

>> ^therealblankman:

Racism, hatred, war, xenophobia, violence against women, mud wrestling, diet coke fountains and religious nuttery. It's like a glimpse into how quantummushroom's mind really works.
promote the horrible.

Racism, hatred, war, xenophobia, violence against women, mud wrestling, diet coke fountains and religious nuttery. It's like a glimpse into how quantummushroom's mind really works.

*promote the horrible.

1. I didn't know you were advocating for an ethnical immigration policy. I thought you were for meritocracy. Sorry for the confusion.

2. I've been to Taiwan, and I don't think I want the average Taiwanese to immigrate to the States. That goes for any other country. I want the best and brightest from Taiwan and from Nigeria as well. That's my version of meritocracy.

3. Flawed flawed flawed reasoning. I don't know where to start:
a) this is broken down by race, a physical characteristic, not sub-culture,
b) I strongly disagree that income equals productivity.
c)I guess you could count crime as a "cost"; but it's not by a longshot the only one. BTW, those aren't crime rates, those are arrest rates. conviction rates would reflect crime; arrest rates reflect who the cops harrass more.
d) you start with race, and try to create some correlation with some nebulous undefined "culture", whose defining characteristic is that is it tied to race.
e) So, what should I do with this chart? Should I adjust my immigration policy, my hiring, and my school admissions policy? Again, seems to go against this pure meritocracy you're always crowing about.
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>> ^chilaxe:
@longde
1. "Is that just some unjustified xenophobia?"
Wait, since when is advocating immigration by people of Asian culture xenophobic? Isn't that the opposite? That seems like a big oversight.
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2. "I know other [Taiwanese] who are here illegally, making money by breaking the law."
The normal rules when discussing statistics should probably apply: exceptions don't disprove averages.
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3. "Do you have an objective measure?"
Here's data pointing to how much people of Asian American background contribute to US society vs. how much they cost US society relative to other sub-cultures (including people of white background):
1. Average income per capita by race.png
2. Average crime rates by race.png
It seems a reasonable conclusion would be that the more people of Asian culture we have, the better off we'd be, since they outperform the majority group even though they're a minority. If the cause is they have better personal culture on average, then we can create the best parts of that culture within ourselves.
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4."Same thing with every low economic group in America. I know members of these groups who are hardworking..."
Yeah, it's good to note that we're only talking about averages. Middle-class members of low economic groups are welcome to dissociated themselves from the lower-class wings of their ethnicity, same as whites and asians do within their ethnicity. (For example, people of white background don't think rednecks have any relevance to them).

@longde

1. "Is that just some unjustified xenophobia?"

Wait, since when is advocating immigration by people of Asian culture xenophobic? Isn't that the opposite? That seems like a big oversight.

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2. "I know other [Taiwanese] who are here illegally, making money by breaking the law."

The normal rules when discussing statistics should probably apply: exceptions don't disprove averages.

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3. "Do you have an objective measure?"

Here's data pointing to how much people of Asian American background contribute to US society vs. how much they cost US society relative to other sub-cultures (including people of white background):
1. Average income per capita by race.png
2. Average crime rates by race.png

It seems a reasonable conclusion would be that the more people of Asian culture we have, the better off we'd be, since they outperform the majority group even though they're a minority. If the cause is they have better personal culture on average, then we can create the best parts of that culture within ourselves.

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4."Same thing with every low economic group in America. I know members of these groups who are hardworking..."

Yeah, it's good to note that we're only talking about averages. Middle-class members of low economic groups are welcome to dissociated themselves from the lower-class wings of their ethnicity, same as whites and asians do within their ethnicity. (For example, people of white background don't think rednecks have any relevance to them).

Also, I'm curious. Do you have an objective measure for what group is a drain, or is that just some unjustified xenophobia? Have you measured the GDP of Taiwanese (and other groups) in america somehow? Cause I don't know how < 1% of the population outproduce the large groups you consider "drains".
Methinks you're talking out of your ass on this one. >> ^chilaxe:
Right, their motivation is personal benefit, but the difference comes from that their "selfish" useful productivity contributes to society more than they take (the definition of prosociality), as opposed to being a drain on the economy like other sub-cultures.
>> ^longde:
Immigrants who overstay visas don't do it out a sense of altruism, to help our country. They do it to benefit illegally from the bounty of our society. In that sense, they are very much like welfare cheats.
>> ^chilaxe:
@legacy0100 "All other ethnic groups would have their own ways to solve their problems with the US government... From my Taiwanese roommate, I learned that you can manage to stay in the US past your visa renewal limit..."
Sounds like something of a false symmetry. People from Taiwanese culture who overstay in the US so they can contribute to society doesn't seem on par with other cultures freeloading off of welfare or various methods of fraud to avoid payments into government revenue.

You know what I find sadly amusing? All those "cultural supremacists" (most of which hide their xenophobia under a thin mask of concern about Islam's ethical failings) go on about how Judeo-Christian values are better, not realising that Islam is largely a rehash of the Bible/Torah they defend so ardently.

Sharia Law? Taken from the Torah/Old Testament.
Fire for the infidels? An exaggeration of Jesus' infernal invention.
Exterminating your "God's" enemies? Read the Old Testament already.

Those aren't even close numbers!!!!

The arc of history is long.... xenophobia hopefully stops working in the foreseeable future.

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By the way, first results indicate that Berlusconi lost both Naples (64.7% for de Magistris) and Milan (55.2% for Pisapia).

What a great way to start the new week.

So it begins, oh wait. The US has a history of this sort of xenophobia.

See Japanese Internment Camps, also German Internment Camps. The long plain history of persecution of the "Red Man." The bullshit of segregation.

That's not even including the kind of bullshit that takes place with LGBT.

That pilot from delta can go fuck himself.

Pre
sident Obama to Donald Trump:
“We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers who just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We do not have time for this kind of silliness. I've got better stuff to do.”

This whole birther bullshit is simply Embarrassing. When you show such insane disrespect to the President of your country, based on racist xenophobia and partisan politics, you demonstrate an ignorance and idiocy of significant proportion.

>> ^sometimes:

I for one can't wait to return small village life in a world free of highways, airplanes, locally enforced regional prejudices, discrimination, and xenophobia. I look forward to the day when my local council of elders vote on whether or not the village will give into the demands of the wandering warlord currently attacking us.


I think you missed the point, America was doing this when they were only ~7% of GDP expenditure.

I for one can't wait to return small village life in a world free of highways, airplanes, locally enforced regional prejudices, discrimination, and xenophobia. I look forward to the day when my local council of elders vote on whether or not the village will give into the demands of the wandering warlord currently attacking us.

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@hpqp

Totally agree with you about the definitions being different, but in this interview on The Globe and Mail he seems to be saying that he means "determine" and not "analyze."

Imagine how our view of the human condition would change if we ever found a cure for racism, xenophobia and other forms of bigotry. What if there were perfectly safe ways to increase feelings of compassion and altruism? I think interventions of this sort – pharmacological and otherwise – are probably in our future. Neuro-imaging technology could also change our lives profoundly. We will probably develop reliable lie detectors, so that when the truth really matters, it will be impossible for a person to lie. This will change politics and diplomacy rather profoundly. There is no telling how developments of this kind could put pressure on popular beliefs.

It sounds like he's advocating a world where science has determined without a doubt "the answer" to moral questions and the state is forcefully re-educating those whose actions are determined not to be "maximizing well-being." I have no trouble with science analyzing moral questions, but I have a big problem with someone claiming that the results of some experiments should determine our individual choices--or even remove our individual choice entirely.

Lack of tolerance of islam or any religion really only makes it stronger...
Lack of tolerance creates more division, more xenophobia. It strengthens the arguments of the extremes. It caters to the attachment of identity with religion. The more any group feels oppressed, the further it separates itself and its ideals. A lack of tolerance is an invitation to extremism.

That being said...IMHO religion is a major obstacle to the evolution of the species, and the best way to rid ourselves of it is to tolerate it completely, and regard it as a non-threat to logic, thought, and science.