Cheers mate!

In reply to this comment by Krupo:
Time to *promote something verily 80s.

They all look so *happy. Except for the yuppie. Ew, yuppies.

Time to *promote something verily 80s.

They all look so *happy. Except for the yuppie. Ew, yuppies.

Mormons believe the Holy Bible to be the word of God. They don't believe that they can take heed to some of God's words and not others. They believe that the Ten commandments are just as relevent today, as when they were given to the Israelites in ancient times.

Matthew Chapter 7 - "...21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. .....26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man,..."


Some "Christians" believe that they don't have to do anything but accept Jesus as their Savior in order to be saved. Satan has fooled them into thinking that they don't need to do anything beyond that. Mormons believe that it is our works that we will be held accountable for.





And your references about God always being God don't back up the point you are trying to make:

Duet. 4:39 - Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

Mormons believe this to the letter!. There is but one Father of Heaven and Earth and we worship none other, but Him.

Psalms 93:2 - Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

Mormons believe that God is Eternal.


Isaiah 40:28 - Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

Mormons believe that God does not change. He is perfect and will be for eternity.


Romans 16:26 - But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the bobedience of faith:

Again, Mormons believe in and worship the Almighty and Everlasting God.





Here are Mormon scriptures that relate to the Atonement:

From the Book of Mormon
Alma 34: 8-9, 11-12
8 And now, behold, I will testify unto you of myself that these things are true. Behold, I say unto you, that I do know that Christ shall come among the children of men, to take upon him the transgressions of his people, and that he shall atone for the sins of the world; for the Lord God hath spoken it.
9 For it is expedient that an atonement should be made; for according to the great plan of the Eternal God there must be an atonement made, or else all mankind must unavoidably perish; yea, all are hardened; yea, all are fallen and are lost, and must perish except it be through the atonement which it is expedient should be made.
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11 Now there is not any man that can sacrifice his own blood which will atone for the sins of another. Now, if a man murdereth, behold will our law, which is just, take the life of his brother? I say unto you, Nay.
12 But the law requireth the life of him who hath murdered; therefore there can be nothing which is short of an infinite atonement which will suffice for the sins of the world.

And from the Old Testament:

Lev. 5:16
16 And he shall make amends for the harm that he hath done in the holy thing..."

Mormon doctrine doesn't tell us specifically what will happen in the afterlife to those who murder in this life. Only that it is required of us to provide restitution of sins commited in order to be forgiven in this life. If one murders, he cannot give back the life he took. Thier punishment is up to Jesus Christ. He is the judge.




The Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that Jesus Christ is Jehovah. Mormons do.

The Way International, and Oneness Pentecostals believe that Jesus Christ and God the Father are seperate beings. Mormons share this belief.

If Jesus Christ and God are the same "person" who is Jesus praying to in these scriptures?

Luke 23: 34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do...

Matt. 26: 39, 42
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
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42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.


...and why would Jesus confuse us by speaking about the Father in the third person in these scriptures if they were the same "being"?:

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.


John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I ago unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 14:31
31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.


And here is a scripture which references The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost being present but seperate. The Father speaks from heaven to Jesus at His baptism:

Luke 3:22
And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.




Also, Mormons believe that God created us in His image. We are his offspring and have eternal potential.

Gen. 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Mormons believe that...

-"...those who are worthy to return to the presence of our Father in Heaven and Jesus Christ become “heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ” (Romans 8:17) of all that the Father has. They will return to live with Heavenly Father and with their families in His eternal glory." ( Mormon.org)

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Living in the biblebelt m'self, these folks they are interviewing, are the worst kinds of zealots-firstly, most of the folks from full-gospel churches (church of god, pentecostal, and offshoots of "where do we put all the bi-polar and developmentally disabled Christains...(as they are, a stubborn tarnish on the good name of Hay-zeus) are whackjobs with issues. If they we're not devout about Jesus, they'd need sports or drugs or some other sort of reprieve from their inner dialog..... fundamentalism, cult of personality, same difference-it is a group activity for burn-outs or imprint-afflicted, be they followers of programming from Kim Jung Il, from some imam, or blows to the head. Any tunnel reality is!! Ya hear that ya rabid stamp collectors and Trekkie freaks???!!! YER SICK!!! Get out more, interact with birds and bugs or something...AAAUAUAAUGAHHH!

met like 3 Christians in my whole life, that's cause' the real ones don't go around doing shit like this-

"Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward....
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matt:6:2,5-6

God says, "Shut the fuck up!"

Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose so let me simply add that it’s my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.

Now replace that with all P's.

That some moderate Muslim states have modified their religious laws to suit new ideas about morality does not prove anything about the intent of those who originally created the system of laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab lays out the scriptural 'evidence' for and against forcing women to wear a veil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
According to Human Rights Watch:
"Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members, who are perceived to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by (individuals within) her family for a variety of reasons, including: refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce — even from an abusive husband — or (allegedly) committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has behaved in a specific way to "dishonor" her family, is sufficient to trigger an attack."

Where do you think such traditions of harsh punishment for inappropriate sex come from?

Six translations of Qur'an 4:34:

1. "Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" (Rodwell's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
2. "Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Dawood's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
3. "Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Pickthall's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
4. "Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Arberry's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
5. "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)
6. "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (Ali's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)


How can you honestly claim to believe that Islam has nothing to do with the domination of women by men?

http://www.apostatesofislam.com has several well-cited and well reasoned arguments for why people should abandon Islam.

Slyrr's line of reasoning is cute: those who criticize/question religion are sinners, and therefore suspect and not worth listening to.

Forgive Slyrr: he hasn't accepted Flying Spaghetti Monster into his heart. Verily, his soul is like a meatball, naked and shivering without His noodley love.