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If viagra is covered by insurance, I don't see why an IUD or the pill can't be.>> ^quantumushroom:

All right, Cenk. You claim the insurance companies WANT to pay for contraception? Then why do we need socialists to pass this law to MAKE them pay for it?
Harsh language aside, who is the mentioned women fooling about "expensive" contraception? Can't afford a pack of Trojans? She can't convince the (presumable) dude to buy and bring them along? Bullsh1t. I pay for my own chloroform, they can pay for the lingerie.
It's been pointed out that 'small-government' conservatives are hypocritically invading the bedroom, and some of that criticism is warranted.
The flip side is liberals roaring that a woman is not to be judged for her potential lack of morality, but when she gets knocked up without being married, we 'all' have to pitch in and subsidize her irresponsibility.

All right, Cenk. You claim the insurance companies WANT to pay for contraception? Then why do we need socialists to pass this law to MAKE them pay for it?

Harsh language aside, who is the mentioned women fooling about "expensive" contraception? Can't afford a pack of Trojans? She can't convince the (presumable) dude to buy and bring them along? Bullsh1t. I pay for my own chloroform, they can pay for the lingerie.

It's been pointed out that 'small-government' conservatives are hypocritically invading the bedroom, and some of that criticism is warranted.

The flip side is liberals roaring that a woman is not to be judged for her potential lack of morality, but when she gets knocked up without being married, we 'all' have to pitch in and subsidize her irresponsibility.

This is just old news.

They need to be focusing on the issues of today like Gingrich's affairs (sponsored by Trojan condoms).

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

>> ^mxxcon:
>> ^Drachen_Jager:
No scanner would see a program in an image, realize it's an executable and execute the program all without the user's knowledge.
It's barely possible that you could transfer a workable program that way through fractals, and the people on the other end would have to spend weeks or months decoding the program before they could make it run IF they could figure out what it was in the first place.
pattern might be constructed in such a way that when scanned it can confuse any piece of software in the chain to cause a buffer overrun, at which point they could craft the following data to actually be executable and contain malware payload.
This is kinda what happened in a few instances of MP3-based viruses. MP3 file's metadata was malformed in such a way that it would crash the player and execute trojan payload that was embedded in that MP3 file.
Look up information about MP3Concept(MP3Virus.Gen)
There was another incident that involved MP3 file played in Winamp player. I can't find link about it now.
So while realistically unlikely, it's possible.

The main difference there being that the MP3 was a digital file which had been manipulated, not a sound recording. The file was corrupted in a very clever way. In the show the bone 'picture' was taken by the forensics team. They did not bring in a file the guy had created, they took a photograph. You can't insert corrupted data, because the data is coming from the camera they own.
you've never had a legitimate program crash while working with a legitimate file? this is when malware gets to do its stuff.

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^Drachen_Jager:
No scanner would see a program in an image, realize it's an executable and execute the program all without the user's knowledge.
It's barely possible that you could transfer a workable program that way through fractals, and the people on the other end would have to spend weeks or months decoding the program before they could make it run IF they could figure out what it was in the first place.
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Look up information about MP3Concept(MP3Virus.Gen)
There was another incident that involved MP3 file played in Winamp player. I can't find link about it now.
So while realistically unlikely, it's possible.


The main difference there being that the MP3 was a digital file which had been manipulated, not a sound recording. The file was corrupted in a very clever way. In the show the bone 'picture' was taken by the forensics team. They did not bring in a file the guy had created, they took a photograph. You can't insert corrupted data, because the data is coming from the camera they own.

>> ^Drachen_Jager:

No scanner would see a program in an image, realize it's an executable and execute the program all without the user's knowledge.
It's barely possible that you could transfer a workable program that way through fractals, and the people on the other end would have to spend weeks or months decoding the program before they could make it run IF they could figure out what it was in the first place.
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This is kinda what happened in a few instances of MP3-based viruses. MP3 file's metadata was malformed in such a way that it would crash the player and execute trojan payload that was embedded in that MP3 file.
Look up information about MP3Concept(MP3Virus.Gen)
There was another incident that involved MP3 file played in Winamp player. I can't find link about it now.

So while realistically unlikely, it's possible.

>> ^ghark:


Yes I agree that he's consistent, but consistency only matters so much, his tax policies would widen the already-disastrous income maldistribution problems in America, the consequences of his education policies would further destroy the education system - go research Chile's education system if you want to see how much of a disaster privatizing an education system is. And that's just the beginning. He's a trojan horse my friend.


Well, his tax policy is mostly "less taxes", which seems like a good idea for a battered economy. Why would you use taxing to solve "maldistribution of income"? What is maldistribution of income anyways? Is income something supposed to be distributed? In a market, aren't people usually paid on a supply/demand basis or depending on how productive they are to society?

I'm guessing you're a progressive taxation guy, which I happen to think is not a very fair tax policy. Whenever you tax the rich by a larger percentage, you discourage or punish them for being more productive to society, which is a moral hazard and bad economics (according to austrians anyway).

What I could gather from Chile's education system (Wikipedia) is that it's pretty hybrid, a lot of private and public schooling and many gradations in between, mostly with state funding of education at many levels. I don't think Ron Paul is proposing anything to that effect.

To my knowledge, he'd probably shut down federal student loans as a way of directly lowering college tuition costs. While in Chile, everything education, whether public or private, seems to be state funded. So I fail to see the comparison sorry

>> ^renatojj:

>> ^ghark:
>> ^renatojj:
TLDR: ...

When your only choice is the 'least evil' one (on the surface), you know that the representatives you are voting for are not working for you, but against you. Ron Paul is irrelevant to what's going on in America, he may get in, he may not, but the entire system needs to change before the people are represented. Fantastic list btw @dystopianfuturetoday, no need to apologize.

I don't get it. Why would you dismiss him so carelessly? I wouldn't consider him "least evil" at all, the guy deserves a lot more credit than that. Ron Paul certainly holds himself to high standards of consistency that I would never expect from a politician. I think his social, foreign and economic policies, no matter how controversial, or whether we agree with him or not, are very relevant to America's current situation.


Yes I agree that he's consistent, but consistency only matters so much, his tax policies would widen the already-disastrous income maldistribution problems in America, the consequences of his education policies would further destroy the education system - go research Chile's education system if you want to see how much of a disaster privatizing an education system is. And that's just the beginning. He's a trojan horse my friend.

"Marco doesn't know what to expect from this Russian download"

I would have laughed so loud if it had just installed trojans and redirected every URL to porn adverts, as many random Russian downloads have been known to do

>> ^Stormsinger:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^marbles:
>> ^Stormsinger:
@marbles
If you put in remote control that can override the pilot, how long do you think it's going to take before some hacker takes over a plane? And considering that it's a -whole- lot safer for the hijacker than doing it in person, I'm pretty sure it will happen more often than terrorist hijackings have.

What are you talking about? It's already there. It's called remote access. The autopilot software has had remote access capabilities for decades. Read the essay you quoted.
On a side note, the NORAD computers were probably hacked.
Ptech software (loaded with back-doors and trojans) was on pretty much all the government's computer systems. Ptech clients included the FAA, NATO, United States Armed Forces, Congress, Dept. Of Energy, Dept. of Justice, FBI, Customs, the IRS, the Secret Service, and even the White House.

“Most modern aircraft have some form of autopilot that could be re-programmed to ignore commands from a hijacker and instead take direction from the ground . . . .”
Note the words, "THAT COULD BE". Implying that it doesn't do so at this point.

Are you purposely acting dense?
"at this point" ??? It doesn't do so until if and when you need it to ignore commands from a hijacker... like DURING A HIJACKING. That's one of the main purposes of having remote access to the autopilot.

I give up...I thought this was a real discussion, but it's become clear you aren't interested in that. "Could be reprogrammed" does not mean on-the-fly, in the middle of a hijacking. That would be called "turning it on". Frankly anyone who would attempt to reprogram an autopilot on a plane while it was in the air should be locked up for many years, and NEVER allowed near any kind of computer ever again. You have a better chance of surviving the hijacking than of some nitwits attempt to write complex programs correctly the first time and to do so in mere minutes.
Let me know when you're willing to read what I fucking write, instead of twisting it to try and make it some attack.


How about reading what you fucking quote first. Tell yourself whatever you need to. ""Could be reprogrammed" does not mean on-the-fly" -- it doesn't? of course it does. Do you expect the hijacker to land the plane so you can reprogram it?

Read the other quote from the former head of British Airways “suggested ... that aircraft could be commandeered from the ground and controlled remotely in the event of a hijack.”

It's part of the autopilot system. There's no need to hack into the system and "write complex programs correctly ... in mere minutes."

Why is that so hard to understand?