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burdturgler (Member Profile)

chilaxe says...

Excellently informative post. Thank you.

Sometimes we're vulnerable to accepting one side of a debate unquestioningly without hearing the other side, which is how many people seem to be approaching Reza Aslan's argument.

In reply to this comment by burdturgler:
Was good until around 4:20 but after that Reza is full of shit on many counts.

- It is complete speculation on his part that there is no nuclear weapon ambition or program in Iran. He mentions the IAEA in 2003 but in 2003 the IAEA said the following:

"it is clear that Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored." (PDF)

Meaning the nuclear material could be stored anywhere and processed for anything. They don't know.

- Saying that the U.S. has taken all military options off the table regarding Iran is complete bullshit. Never happened.

- The C.I.A. has never said that Iran is "many many many years away" from having a nuclear weapon. Regardless, how did the CIA discover that India had nukes? Anyone? They caught them when they were just a year away right? No, the CIA and the rest of Earth found out because India detonated one. Making the argument that Iran isn't pursuing nukes based on the fact that they say so is foolish.

-Israel has nukes. They have had them for decades. To say they are threatening Iran with them is ridiculous. Israel has made no demands from Iran other than to recognize that it is a sovereign nation. The weapons are a deterrent against Iran and the other nations in the region which have said in no uncertain terms that Israel, as a nation state, should not exist.

- Just because some person ("Benny Morris" who is a hero of the Palestinians) wrote an article for the NY Times, does not make it the policy that Israel will launch a nuclear first strike against Iran. That person does not speak for the government of Israel. He doesn't determine the foreign policy of any nation. He does not control or affect in any way Israel's nuclear launch capability. In other words, it's bullshit.

-It has never been the policy of Israel to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike upon anyone unless they were themselves threatened by nukes. That is U.S. policy also. That doesn't mean you can't have a scenario where you strike first. Some people just refuse to understand this. They can not have an enemy on their doorstep that has vowed their destruction to obtain the weapons and strategy needed to carry that threat out. It's just that simple. We didn't allow the missiles in Cuba for the very same reason. Iran needs to dial back it's rhetoric and hate speech and get more in line with the international cooperation and dialog that it's people wants. The type of dialog we all need. Open handed Vs. clenched fist. But that isn't happening and now we see that elections there to make it happen have no meaning.

The hard line psychos in charge of Iran, not the people in general, view Israel as an abomination. They "should be wiped off the face of the map". I've seen this translated as "vanish from time" and several other iterations but however you want to play out the semantics of the translation of that quote from Ahmadinejad the end result is the same. He is echoing and fomenting the sentiment of his supporters .. Israel as a state should not exist. These are the same people who say the Holocaust never happened. Now I've seen some bad comments here, including someone wishing all Christians would die, but I hope most rational people can see this isn't just a religious point of view, it's a wish for genocide. They teach their children that Israeli's are less than human. They are pigs and it is good to slaughter them.

With that ugliness behind me, I will say, it is fun to watch Chris when he has a guest who isn't intimidated, but I don't see where he was "schooled" here. Reza is being naive at best. Iran knows what it's doing. It can't let itself be perceived as the weaker nation. Acquiescing to mandates and sanctions. They want to be a super power. They want to be at the table like India and Pakistan. They know they are close and have decades of work behind them (not in front of them) and will never give up until they have the same strength that is possessed by their perceived aggressors.

There won't be any dialog to stem the tide of a nuclear Iran with the current regime in power.

Does anyone honestly think a nuclear armed Iran is a viable option for world stability and peace?

HARDBALL-reza aslan takes mathews to school over IRAN

burdturgler says...

Was good until around 4:20 but after that Reza is full of shit on many counts.

- It is complete speculation on his part that there is no nuclear weapon ambition or program in Iran. He mentions the IAEA in 2003 but in 2003 the IAEA said the following:

"it is clear that Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material and its processing and use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored." (PDF)

Meaning the nuclear material could be stored anywhere and processed for anything. They don't know.

- Saying that the U.S. has taken all military options off the table regarding Iran is complete bullshit. Never happened.

- The C.I.A. has never said that Iran is "many many many years away" from having a nuclear weapon. Regardless, how did the CIA discover that India had nukes? Anyone? They caught them when they were just a year away right? No, the CIA and the rest of Earth found out because India detonated one. Making the argument that Iran isn't pursuing nukes based on the fact that they say so is foolish.

-Israel has nukes. They have had them for decades. To say they are threatening Iran with them is ridiculous. Israel has made no demands from Iran other than to recognize that it is a sovereign nation. The weapons are a deterrent against Iran and the other nations in the region which have said in no uncertain terms that Israel, as a nation state, should not exist.

- Just because some person ("Benny Morris" who is a hero of the Palestinians) wrote an article for the NY Times, does not make it the policy that Israel will launch a nuclear first strike against Iran. That person does not speak for the government of Israel. He doesn't determine the foreign policy of any nation. He does not control or affect in any way Israel's nuclear launch capability. In other words, it's bullshit.

-It has never been the policy of Israel to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike upon anyone unless they were themselves threatened by nukes. That is U.S. policy also. That doesn't mean you can't have a scenario where you strike first. Some people just refuse to understand this. They can not have an enemy on their doorstep that has vowed their destruction to obtain the weapons and strategy needed to carry that threat out. It's just that simple. We didn't allow the missiles in Cuba for the very same reason. Iran needs to dial back it's rhetoric and hate speech and get more in line with the international cooperation and dialog that it's people wants. The type of dialog we all need. Open handed Vs. clenched fist. But that isn't happening and now we see that elections there to make it happen have no meaning.

The hard line psychos in charge of Iran, not the people in general, view Israel as an abomination. They "should be wiped off the face of the map". I've seen this translated as "vanish from time" and several other iterations but however you want to play out the semantics of the translation of that quote from Ahmadinejad the end result is the same. He is echoing and fomenting the sentiment of his supporters .. Israel as a state should not exist. These are the same people who say the Holocaust never happened. Now I've seen some bad comments here, including someone wishing all Christians would die, but I hope most rational people can see this isn't just a religious point of view, it's a wish for genocide. They teach their children that Israeli's are less than human. They are pigs and it is good to slaughter them.

With that ugliness behind me, I will say, it is fun to watch Chris when he has a guest who isn't intimidated, but I don't see where he was "schooled" here. Reza is being naive at best. Iran knows what it's doing. It can't let itself be perceived as the weaker nation. Acquiescing to mandates and sanctions. They want to be a super power. They want to be at the table like India and Pakistan. They know they are close and have decades of work behind them (not in front of them) and will never give up until they have the same strength that is possessed by their perceived aggressors.

There won't be any dialog to stem the tide of a nuclear Iran with the current regime in power.

Does anyone honestly think a nuclear armed Iran is a viable option for world stability and peace?

Why buy a hybrid? Just paint your roof white! (Science Talk Post)

rottenseed says...

>> ^KnivesOut:
>> ^rottenseed:
Right... <snipped> his idea earns an F-

A comment from the original post:
>> Cameron McDonald, Stanford, US
Its sad that such a small fraction of people have the basic science knowledge to appreciate this idea. Increasing albedo with white roofs reflects SHORT WAVE RADIATION from the sun back into space. The Greenhouse effect refers to the atmosphere absorbing LONG WAVE RADIATION emitted by the earth.


Pfff Stanford...are the even accredited yet?

*looks at community college "Dean's List" certificate*

hmmm...I'll go away now.

Why buy a hybrid? Just paint your roof white! (Science Talk Post)

KnivesOut says...

>> ^rottenseed:
Right... <snipped> his idea earns an F-


A comment from the original post:

>> Cameron McDonald, Stanford, US
Its sad that such a small fraction of people have the basic science knowledge to appreciate this idea. Increasing albedo with white roofs reflects SHORT WAVE RADIATION from the sun back into space. The Greenhouse effect refers to the atmosphere absorbing LONG WAVE RADIATION emitted by the earth.

How can people think that animals have no feelings? (Pets Talk Post)

yourhydra says...

the study of Animal emotions help autism (to study emotions u need to have them..)

http://researchnews.wsu.edu/health/141.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4595810.ece

makes some good points....if people chose to believe animals have no emotion then its ok to slaughter and torture them. Points out how we used to assume babies didn't feel pain...weren't we. Also points out how many scientists now DO believe animals have emotions....so let see your counter studies? "Many people will reject this as sentimental nonsense, but scientific evidence is increasingly providing support for such ideas."

http://petcare.suite101.com/article.cfm/study_says_dogs_detect_emotions_on_human_faces

speaks of a study that revealed that dogs can read and react to human emotion. so tell me, how does on know emotion if one does not feel it? Can you know what the color yellow looks like if you have not seen it? Do you know what pain is if you've never felt it?

another study... "Researchers working in neurobiology and behavioral observation seem to be learning what pet lovers have known all along: animals have feelings.

New evidence gathered from actually studying dogs, chimps and other animals, supports pet owners’ firm convictions that animals experience fear, jealousy, grief and love.

"Five years ago my colleagues would have thought I was off my rocker," said biologist Marc Bekoff. "But now scientists are finally starting to talk about animal emotions in public. It’s like they’re coming out of the closet." "

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/8-10-2003-44071.asp


get out of the stone age. its been proven. or get a degree and disprove it. good luck

How can people think that animals have no feelings? (Pets Talk Post)

krelokk says...

>> ^gwiz665:
The illusion of intelligence does not confirm it.
People tend to anthropomorphize their pets, but that does not make them "people".



Your ability to type about intelligence do not confirm you have any. Yourhydra never states that animals are "people" nor that they are equal in their behaviors, and emotions. You even invoke religion which has nothing to do with this subject, and is not a very good analogy since religious fundamentalists are usually the people most opposed to the idea of animals having emotions. And unlike religious fantasy gods and stories, animals DO exist and interact with people. Observations can be made, and scientific method used in studies of the subject.

We are nothing but animals, we have emotions. If we all die another species may evolve and take over the Earth. But I guess they might not have emotions since that is a 'humans only' thing. I roll my eyes.

I've had two cats, and two dogs. I'm not a pet psycho/living with a million animals, nor I am one of those pet owners who attributes human like motives behind their pets everyday actions. I view house pets as wonderful less evolved additions to a family that can help warm up a house, offer company, and provide a creature to love. I don't view them as people replacements. But I think anyone who argues that animals cannot have emotions of any kind, not even less evolved basic emotional reactions, are arrogant, extremist, buffoons. Their emotional reactions and ability to understand their situations may not be as advanced as ours, but they exist.

Recent studies have shown that basic morality exist in some animals. Animals feeling unjustly treated, behaving angrily when other animals in a group receive treats and they do not. WTF would it do that for if it was biological robot? Since that is what people who argue against emotions are essentially saying animals are in the end. Why would it get 'angry' or create an illusion for the outside world to see so they can perceive it as 'angry'? Our morals and emotions most likely started out this way as well. Basic and simple.

No one can prove that others humans aside from themselves truly have sentience, but they'd be a damned idiot if you seriously tried to. This is the same thing in my mind.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5733638.ece

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/20/science/20moral.html?_r=1

http://www.ljmu.ac.uk/NewsCentre/67668.htm

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Fuck You, Female Coworker!

rychan says...

What do you mean variables aren't applied equally? Seriously, I can't quite parse what you're claiming. That researchers fabricated data?

Also, men are more likely to fall on the extremes, either extremely stupid or extremely smart, see
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2512722.ece

So while it might be the case that there are more men than women making $10 million a year, it might also be the case that there's fewer women stupid enough to become criminals.

UK amateur Tanner vs New Jersey Nets star Harris 1 on 1

SDGundamX says...

Tanner's response to this vid (from Times Online):

Mr Tanner said that Harris probably underestimated him because of his casual clothes. “My brother asked him and Devin looked at me in my jeans and jumper and probably thought I was no threat at all,” he said. “He missed and I scored my first hoop, which made him suddenly show me some respect. He stepped up the second time and was defending properly but I managed to pull out a trick and bounce it through his legs and score again.

“It was a bit embarrassing for him as you shouldn’t ever really get beaten like that but he took it really well and was very nice about it. I don’t want to be a big head about this. I was excited and amazed when I saw that one hundred thousand people had watched the video.

“I haven’t played seriously for five years, I never made it as a professional and all of a sudden everyone is talking about me, which is amazing.”


I think it's a little unfair to bash Harris. Anyone can have an off-day, but I think Harris has proven with his career that he can be consistently good in the long run--something Tanner was unable to do apparently. But who knows, maybe after the past 5 years he's become more consistent. Certainly seems like it's worth a shot for him to try out again for a team. I just like the fact that he's humble about it.

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