caution is rarely a bad thing, but media sensationalism in this day and age is becoming tiresome...

that said, i would have worded the summary differently, and imho more accurately:

A warning that the new swine flu jab is [may also be] linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter. A different, though similar, swine flu vaccine was linked to the nerve disease GBS in the swine flu epidemic of 1976.

you see, the change in wording is very small, yet changes the context quite a bit

as well, the caution (in the uncorrected and sensationalist version) would have the reader assume that 1) modern medicine has learned nothing about swine flu vaccines and GBS in the intervening 33 years, and 2) whereas the first vaccine may have had deadly side-affects through vaccination ignorance, that this new vaccine is being administered with wanton disregard for the public's safety in light of problems with the similar vaccine administered 33 years previously (i.e. we're just the government's guinea pigs)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak

"The 1976 swine flu outbreak, also known as the swine flu fiasco, or the swine flu debacle, was a strain of H1N1 influenza virus that appeared in 1976. Infections were only detected from January 19 to February 9, and were not found outside Fort Dix.[1] The outbreak is most remembered for the mass immunization that it prompted in the United States. The strain itself killed one person and hospitalized 13. However, side-effects from the vaccine caused 25 deaths."


"Those who don't know history are destined ... to die from swine flu vaccines"
-Edmund Burke

Conspiracy theories aside, I'll take my chances with the swine flu.

For the record, I know for a FACT this story is false, because I happen to personally know a VIROLOGIST who says this is impossible!

>> ^Doc_M:
"As a virologist who knows people in the CDC, people who find vaccine targets, people who make vaccines, and just about every other part of the scientific process of virus study, I'll tell you that this is beyond irresponsible. This is downright delusional paranoia and could be seriously harmful to public thought on a topic so important as this. Heck, right now I'm at an international meeting of virologists and have been for almost a week. Just yesterday, I spent an hour chatting with a CDC virologist.

Vaccines are most certainly never laced with other dangerously altered viruses. That's just nonsense."


See? Case closed.

>> ^blackjackshellac:
I wouldn't trust this publication with any medical advice ever


Internet tip for beginners: google before you speak.
http://www.google.com/search?q=swine+flu+nerve+disease
http://www.google.com/search?q=swine+flu+guillain+barre

www.telegraph.co.uk
uk.news.yahoo.com
articles.latimes.com
www.cdc.gov
www.stat.berkeley.edu

Any of those wacky publications (who are reporting the same story) trusted enough for you?

>> ^AnimalsForCrackers:
Remember kids, herpes is for life!


It's not herpes if it's all over.

Is it swine flu? I had it, and it was pretty bad, but was over and done with pretty quick. God I love universal healthcare.....and tamiflu.

last

comment after this and u will contract the swine flu in seventeen days

copy and paste this and send it to 5 llamas and a golden monkey to ensure your survival

>> ^direpickle:
^Still, I'm going to still lean on the side of carelessness or incompetence rather than anything intentional on Bayer/Baxter's behalf.

Once they discovered the contamination in the US, and could no longer sell them here, they sold them internationally. I don't doubt the initial contamination was an accident, its the fact that they still sold it AFTER it was found.

"An examination of internal Bayer company documents by The New York Times reveals that the company was engaged in unsavory, probably criminal marketing practices. The documents reveal that Bayer continued to sell contaminated blood plasma causing thousands of hemophiliac patients to be infected with AIDS. The company continued to sell the contaminated blood in Asia for over a year when it had already introduced a safer, heated blood plasma version in the US and Europe in February 1984. "

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1151015

"A class action lawsuit has been launched against the Bayer and Baxter corporations on behalf of people with haemophilia in Asia and Latin America who contracted HIV or hepatitis through contaminated blood products supplied by the companies."

Also named in the lawsuit were the Armour Pharmaceutical Company and Alpha Therapeutic Corporation. The suit was filed in a US federal court in California.

All four companies are accused of distributing contaminated blood products in Asia and Latin America in 1984-5, even after such products were taken off the US market because of fears that they had not been properly screened for HIV and hepatitis C virus.

The class action contends that thousands of people with haemophilia contracted HIV or hepatitis C from tainted blood products. By 1992 the contaminated products had infected at least 5000 haemophiliac people in Europe with HIV, and more than 2000 people had developed AIDS. A total of 1250 people had died from the disease, the lawsuit added.

The lawsuit also found that by the mid-1990s most of the 4000 people in Japan with AIDS were haemophiliac people and that nearly all of the cases were linked to contaminated clotting factors traced to the United States.

In Latin America at least 700 cases of HIV are linked to use of contaminated blood products by haemophiliac people, the lawsuit said. In the mid-1990s the four companies paid out $640m (£390m; €545m) in damages to settle a similar lawsuit."

Yeah but thats how "science" works. Most of what the lady says is probably pretty solid, and based on evidence...but science doesn't just stop with observations and data - the whole point of science is the hypothesis - a "guess" based on observations and data. Maybe her hypothesis is wrong, but its our job to disprove it - and you don't do that by calling it "retarded."

I'll summarize the facts, and you can draw your own conclusions (hypothesis):

1. WHO gives funds, support and cover to labs such as the CDC to bio-prospect for pathogens, bio-engineer them to make them more deadly, and also patent them.

2. WHO has been actively searching for ways to weaken the immune system.

3. WHO gives deadly bio-engineered pathogens to companies such as Baxter in Austria, so that Baxter could use those viruses to deliberately, systematically contaminate vaccine material.

4.If the contamination of the 72 kilos had not been detection on time by a lab technician in the Czech Republic, millions of people would have caught the “bird flu” from the injections.

5. WHO orders a compulsory vaccines for all 194 countries, following “recommendations” by an advisory vaccine group on which executives of Baxter also sit.

6. WHO awards Baxter, Novartis, Sanofi and other companies lucrative contracts to supply those vaccines.

7. Under special pandemic plans enacted around the world… including the USA in 2005, national governments are to be dissolved in the event of a pandemic emergency Governments will be replaced by special committees answerable to the WHO and EU in Europe and to the WHO and UN in North America.

8. The Model Emergency Health Powers Act makes it a criminal offense for Americans to refuse the vaccine.

So far, nobody has refuted ANY of these claims. Maybe the "total picture" is incorrect, but all the pieces certainly seem to be correct. Whether the WHO is trying to dominate the world or not, looking at that list, pretty much all of them look pretty fucked up to me.

>> ^direpickle:
And furthermore the crazy part of the original story is not "omg someone screwed up and the vaccine is contaminated!" It's: "The WHO secretly controls the world is and is going to dissolve all of the world governments by purposefully infecting everyone with murderous (not contaminated) vaccines. (And also all of the governments consented to this four years ago by putting through seeeeecret directives)."

So every virologist in the world automatically gets subscribed to the Baxter World Domination e-mail list?

>> ^Doc_M:
What a sack of paranoid horse shit. As a virologist who knows people in the CDC, people who find vaccine targets, people who make vaccines, and just about every other part of the scientific process of virus study, I'll tell you that this is beyond irresponsible.

Your naivety is gonna get people killed

http://www.videosift.com/video/Secret-Military-Vaccinations-Infecting-Soldiers-Coverup

>> ^deathcow:
I dont want no stinkin vaccine


you might not have a choice!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_State_Emergency_Health_Powers_Act

gwiz, you're right it's no more dangerous then regular flu. In fact when they say H1N1, that's shorthand for the most common type of flu.

It is a real epidemic though, it quickly spread to every part of the world. The unusual thing about this outbreak is that almost no one has a natural immunity.

Here's a quote from a recent BBC report:

"The government has also warned that deaths from swine flu this winter could be between 19,000 and 65,000 in the UK.

Experts said it was impossible to predict exactly, but with a third of the population perhaps becoming infected in the coming months the death toll could rise to such numbers.

The World Health Organisation has also described the pandemic as the fastest-moving one ever, adding it was now pointless to count every case."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8154419.stm

Another thing most people don't know is that at this point, if you get the flu, it's almost certainly swine flu. According to the CDC:

"Over 99% of all subtyped influenza A viruses being reported to CDC were novel influenza A (H1N1) viruses."
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/

While there are other types of H1N1 flu, whenever you see the world "novel" it means swine flu. It's a euphemism pushed by the pork industry.

Isn't the swine flu "epidemic" just a media scare? Isn't regular flu just as dangerous in the end?

Kills more people per year, at least.

I am going to pretend that when you reach a certain level in a profession, you STOP DICKING AROUND.

Hey... anyone remember about swine flu anymore...? lol i didn't.

Swine Flu = Oportunity for government scare tactics! (??)