A comment over at the Guardian summed it up nicely:

"It's the tip of the iceberg of [Romney's] disconnected existence. The abusive pattern of behavior is a constant, just changed venues from prep school to corporate board room and political office."

Fair enough. I can imagine a number of safety/emergency protocols but I've no idea how cost effective they would be. Given the simplicity of the system I can't imagine it would be to difficult though. Hell we send people through the sky in an aluminum tube over 10,000 feet in the air all the time, I can't imagine this would be any more dangerous. The first several years will undoubtedly have some accidents, every new tech does. If we never tried new things though we'd never go anywhere.
>> ^saber2x:

I know we can do it, but it wont be NASA prepping your pod, it will be some jackass that use to work at McDonalds. All im asking is what do they do if you do have a emergency or mechanical failure?
>> ^RadHazG:
Naturally its a large pod. Plenty of room for compressed slow release breathable air tanks. We send air with men on spacewalks, we can surely keep a large capsule with 6 people filled for a while.
>> ^saber2x:
what happens when the oxygen in your pod runs out over Kansas seeing your in a vacuum tube?

I know we can do it, but it wont be NASA prepping your pod, it will be some jackass that use to work at McDonalds. All im asking is what do they do if you do have a emergency or mechanical failure?

>> ^RadHazG:

Naturally its a large pod. Plenty of room for compressed slow release breathable air tanks. We send air with men on spacewalks, we can surely keep a large capsule with 6 people filled for a while.
>> ^saber2x:
what happens when the oxygen in your pod runs out over Kansas seeing your in a vacuum tube?

I cooked this today, delicious. Though I shouldn't have put salt in on the sauce, it was a little too overpowering. Fast to make as well, 8 minutes including prep work.

@target here, never really kicked people out early ever, and we are pretty much held until closing prep is completed before we actually leave so on holidays, we often end up going over scheduled time.

That said, walmart is notorious for having the most outlandish and rude guest and chances are this shift manager has had issues in the past closing on Xmas eve. Also the store manager may have given the OK to bypass some of the store closing routines (Like there are any in a 24 hour walmart) and wanted to get their employees out shortly after closing and so agreed to the modified closing procedures.

Again, keep in mind that 24 hour walmarts don't normally have a closing procedure.

This is a choice of the store manager, for the safety and or well being of the employees, he has stopped allowing guest in a few minutes early. You, have no say in this. You are free to complain to corporate, and the manager is probably sorry he had to go to this lengths to clear the store by 8, but you have no say in this. And if you complain like this at my store, I will have security escort you from the premise.

Frankly I found it pretty sad the people who come in on Xmas eve, no mam we are out of powdered sugar. No sir, no more turkey pans. I am sorry, we haven't had leapsters in stock for 2 weeks!

The after holiday clearance is even better.. No mam, we will NOT be getting any more of those tree bags that we clearenced to %50.

@messenger said: "The crap the two Fox guys are coming up with though is just silly, and the same old false tropes, like the protesters are against capitalism, their message is incoherent, and so on."

Yeah, I agreed above that the two Fox people said some dumb things, but there are countless similar things in Cenk's discussion, and his supporters always conveniently ignore them all. If Clinton had left office 6 months later, the dot-com bubble would have been burst, and we'd today be talking about how bad his performance was. That's been known for a decade, so when can we expect ideologues to understand it? Probably never.

Also, since Cenk is a college graduate (I checked; he went to some of the best schools possible), surely he knows to base his case on a variety of metrics, which would help him avoid errors like the one discussed above. For example, since Cenk is more interested in increasing his intelligence than in scoring statistical-artifact cheap shots, he'd surely be interested to add the comparative performance of red and blue states to his analysis.

I'll help:

The study looks at factors that affect state prosperity and economic outlook, such as tax burdens and population change. What’s clear is that red or red-leaning states dominate the top positions while blue states have the dubious distinction of dragging in last. In the economic outlook section, for example, the top 20 states are bright red or lean red, while eight out of the bottom 10 are very blue: New York, Vermont, California, Hawaii, New Jersey, Illinois, Oregon and Rhode Island.

Most of the “poor states” states, as ALEC calls them, have the highest personal income tax rates and the largest unfunded state pension liabilities. Source

That's something I have a personal interest in because my home state, California, went from being one of the best places in the world to one of the worst states in the country on some measures. This happened despite (or because of) having some of the most liberal policies and the highest taxes in the country, so that path doesn't seem very reliable.


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@messenger said: "It's not professional, but speaking extemporaneously, I get it."

Yeah, Cenk is a nice guy, but it doesn't seem proportionate to give him a free pass because (1) in the same breath he's giving his opponents zero leeway for making the same kind of mistakes, and (2) even when he has endless prep time, he still seems to make the same 'ideologue type' mistakes. I don't expect Cenk's performance to ever improve, but it seems pro-social to at least talk about it.


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Do you think it's warranted to change the title of this video, since it doesn't appear to be true?

Agreed - I have instated a 24-hour policy on grading - first of all 24 hours before my students can even ask about a grade (usually they tend to forget after a day and that buys me more time in grading), and 24 hours after they receive the grade before they can ask why they received a particular grade. Like you said, they need that one-on-one feedback so there's no getting around the extra time and effort involved, not to mention planning for classes, keeping them engaged with assignments, etc.

In reply to this comment by JiggaJonson:
Very true. Speaking from experience, think of it this way, one 2 page paper for an average of 30 students in the room X 6 classes in the day (you do get one prep) = 180 papers you have to comb over and correct. Even if you limit your time to 5 minutes per paper that's 900 minutes (or 15 hours) of work you're taking home.

I can also tell you from experience that the day after a student hands something in, they expect it to be graded. Hell, I've gotten a "How did I do on that paper?" at the end of the day before I even went home. Aside from that though, the students really need quality feedback if they are to improve. You have to get them graded asap for their sake and for yours because the world doesn't stop just because you have a pile of papers to grade.

To make a long story short, every assignment is like that. After too much of it it's VERY easy to get burnt out quickly and the summers off are the times when you can plan ahead for the coming year and re-cooperate from the enormous work load that was on your shoulders during the school year.

So yeah I get summers off, because the rest of the year I'm working 60-80 hour work weeks and not getting paid for any overtime.

In reply to this comment by blahpook:
This is one of the best (if not overly optimistic) responses to this I've seen on the internets so far:


"How many hours a day do you work? 8? I arrive at my school at 7:30 a.m. and leave between 5:30 and 6:30. If I have to meet with a parent, it can sometime go later than that. When you leave work do you take your work home with you to work on later? I review lesson plans and check papers for at least an hour every night, many times longer. Do you work on the weekends after putting in your 40-hour week? I spend many hours every weekend checking papers and preparing for the coming week. Do you have to have a license to do your job? If you do, who pays for that license? I have to have a license, and I have to pay for that license myself. If you have to have a license, do you have to complete a mandatory number of continuing education classes? I do. If you have to complete continuing education classes, do you have to pay for them out of your own pocket? I do. When do you think I take those classes? I take them during the summer. I am at my school until at least the second week of June, and return by the second week of August. That hardly constitutes a whole summer. When people say to me, "It must be nice to have the summer off and still get a paycheck." I always say to them, "Do you remember all of those extra hours I put in over the school year? I am just getting paid for them now." When do you get paid for your overtime hours? Do you have to wait until summer to get paid? Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I am just telling you the facts. I love my job! I would never want to do anything else. Do you love your job? Do you have children? I hope you have respect for their teacher/s, because most of them work as hard as I do and deserve your respect. And by the way, I like Ann Coulter. and Sara Palin, I think they are brave women. But, I also think Ann misspoke on this one. I would love to have her come and spend a week with me. I bet she would go home and write a book about how fortunate we are to have good teachers."

Very true. Speaking from experience, think of it this way, one 2 page paper for an average of 30 students in the room X 6 classes in the day (you do get one prep) = 180 papers you have to comb over and correct. Even if you limit your time to 5 minutes per paper that's 900 minutes (or 15 hours) of work you're taking home.

I can also tell you from experience that the day after a student hands something in, they expect it to be graded. Hell, I've gotten a "How did I do on that paper?" at the end of the day before I even went home. Aside from that though, the students really need quality feedback if they are to improve. You have to get them graded asap for their sake and for yours because the world doesn't stop just because you have a pile of papers to grade.

To make a long story short, every assignment is like that. After too much of it it's VERY easy to get burnt out quickly and the summers off are the times when you can plan ahead for the coming year and re-cooperate from the enormous work load that was on your shoulders during the school year.

So yeah I get summers off, because the rest of the year I'm working 60-80 hour work weeks and not getting paid for any overtime.

In reply to this comment by blahpook:
This is one of the best (if not overly optimistic) responses to this I've seen on the internets so far:


"How many hours a day do you work? 8? I arrive at my school at 7:30 a.m. and leave between 5:30 and 6:30. If I have to meet with a parent, it can sometime go later than that. When you leave work do you take your work home with you to work on later? I review lesson plans and check papers for at least an hour every night, many times longer. Do you work on the weekends after putting in your 40-hour week? I spend many hours every weekend checking papers and preparing for the coming week. Do you have to have a license to do your job? If you do, who pays for that license? I have to have a license, and I have to pay for that license myself. If you have to have a license, do you have to complete a mandatory number of continuing education classes? I do. If you have to complete continuing education classes, do you have to pay for them out of your own pocket? I do. When do you think I take those classes? I take them during the summer. I am at my school until at least the second week of June, and return by the second week of August. That hardly constitutes a whole summer. When people say to me, "It must be nice to have the summer off and still get a paycheck." I always say to them, "Do you remember all of those extra hours I put in over the school year? I am just getting paid for them now." When do you get paid for your overtime hours? Do you have to wait until summer to get paid? Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, I am just telling you the facts. I love my job! I would never want to do anything else. Do you love your job? Do you have children? I hope you have respect for their teacher/s, because most of them work as hard as I do and deserve your respect. And by the way, I like Ann Coulter. and Sara Palin, I think they are brave women. But, I also think Ann misspoke on this one. I would love to have her come and spend a week with me. I bet she would go home and write a book about how fortunate we are to have good teachers."

>> ^skinnydaddy1:

Found a nest of those the hard way. Was helping a guy prepping a house for painting. I was on the roof prepping some over hangs. When I got stung the first time. No biggie I thought I'll swat it and go on. I looked down and saw about 10 of the fuckers on my stomach and more streaming out of a hole in the roof. Then as more and more landed on me they all stung about the same time. I screamed, rolled, fell, landed on top of a fence, pinwheeled and landed on the guy. (All the while getting stung again and again) we both screamed. We are now both being stung. Scrambled and dove in to a near by pool. 80+ stings. 3 cracked ribs and 2 broken fingers. (No idea how I broke them) I decided no to work outside anymore after that.
Mother nature does not like me and I've not found enough money to buy a flame thrower so I could fight back.


My father is a carpenter so dealing with wasps was a regular thing. Rather than a flamethrower, we found a plain old hand saw to be the most practical line of defense. I dubbed it the "bee accelerator". Waving it through the air is a great way to fend off dozens of them at a time. They also make a very satisfying *ping!* as they hit the blade.

Of course the most important part of dealing with wasps is to be aware of them before they start stinging you. If you find yourself totally surprised, all bets are off.

Congrats on breaking my record for most stings in a single attack, though. I've only ever managed about 30-35.

>> ^rottenseed:

Your pain is my amusement. Oh well, you did get a pretty badass story out of it >> ^skinnydaddy1:
Found a nest of those the hard way. Was helping a guy prepping a house for painting. I was on the roof prepping some over hangs. When I got stung the first time. No biggie I thought I'll swat it and go on. I looked down and saw about 10 of the fuckers on my stomach and more streaming out of a hole in the roof. Then as more and more landed on me they all stung about the same time. I screamed, rolled, fell, landed on top of a fence, pinwheeled and landed on the guy. (All the while getting stung again and again) we both screamed. We are now both being stung. Scrambled and dove in to a near by pool. 80+ stings. 3 cracked ribs and 2 broken fingers. (No idea how I broke them) I decided no to work outside anymore after that.
Mother nature does not like me and I've not found enough money to buy a flame thrower so I could fight back.



Well the old saying it true. "“Comedy is tragedy plus time.” -Carol Burnett
and thanks to the internet that comedy gets to the public even faster.
I feel we shall be laughing at the maker of these videos soon. The act of using glass bowls over wasp spray or more efficient means will provide the general public with pain and comedy soon.

Your pain is my amusement. Oh well, you did get a pretty badass story out of it >> ^skinnydaddy1:

Found a nest of those the hard way. Was helping a guy prepping a house for painting. I was on the roof prepping some over hangs. When I got stung the first time. No biggie I thought I'll swat it and go on. I looked down and saw about 10 of the fuckers on my stomach and more streaming out of a hole in the roof. Then as more and more landed on me they all stung about the same time. I screamed, rolled, fell, landed on top of a fence, pinwheeled and landed on the guy. (All the while getting stung again and again) we both screamed. We are now both being stung. Scrambled and dove in to a near by pool. 80+ stings. 3 cracked ribs and 2 broken fingers. (No idea how I broke them) I decided no to work outside anymore after that.
Mother nature does not like me and I've not found enough money to buy a flame thrower so I could fight back.

Found a nest of those the hard way. Was helping a guy prepping a house for painting. I was on the roof prepping some over hangs. When I got stung the first time. No biggie I thought I'll swat it and go on. I looked down and saw about 10 of the fuckers on my stomach and more streaming out of a hole in the roof. Then as more and more landed on me they all stung about the same time. I screamed, rolled, fell, landed on top of a fence, pinwheeled and landed on the guy. (All the while getting stung again and again) we both screamed. We are now both being stung. Scrambled and dove in to a near by pool. 80+ stings. 3 cracked ribs and 2 broken fingers. (No idea how I broke them) I decided no to work outside anymore after that.
Mother nature does not like me and I've not found enough money to buy a flame thrower so I could fight back.

I have a feeling that deep down I agree with you on the fundamentals of this issue, but not with those words. The poor are no less likely to be academically inclined, (and by inclined, I mean, have a natural affinity or aptitude for it). They'll have less opportunity and probably less encouragement from their family and friends and so there's less chance they'll succeed or even try, but they'll have no less inclination.

Standardized tests mostly test a student's ability to take standardized tests, which, ironically, after their SATs, they'll probably never have to do again in their lives. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

So wait, I think that is a round about way of saying you still agree with me (as the poor are less likely to be academically inclined in the same way they are less likely to take SAT prep-courses)!
I actually tested higher in the English portion than the maths, and I KNOW I am much stronger in maths than englishesss'ses

@messenger

So wait, I think that is a round about way of saying you still agree with me (as the poor are less likely to be academically inclined in the same way they are less likely to take SAT prep-courses)!

I actually tested higher in the English portion than the maths, and I KNOW I am much stronger in maths than englishesss'ses

>> ^mindbrain:

No sitter, fail.


mindbrain has it right.
Fake or not, the behavior depicted is completely in the realm of possibility, and totally irresponsible.
There were two people in the room. One should have been sober and watching the other.

You don't try to land the space shuttle if you are drunk. You let someone else take care of that while you contemplate the view.
..and yes, taking Salvia in a room that hasn't been properly prepped, without a sitter, can be like trying to land the space shuttle while drunk.