Really, we have her because she's just trouble. An elderly couple had her as a small kitten, and she would stalk and viciously attack them, nearly toppling the man repeatedly, and they had to get rid of her for safety.
I didn't help by play fighting with her as a kitten either.
Yeah, there's no stopping the offending behavior at this point. I've tried for years to no avail. She also seems to think I'm nuts and I just go off on her for no reason....clearly attacking me is long standing accepted behavior, so what's my problem?

I've never had a cat, i don't want to be a jerk and i don't want to encourage people to mistreat pets (obviously). So with that said, why is everyone being so harsh to the guy? They played a bit, the cat goes for him and the guy is gentle with it despite the cat trying to hurt him (as he should be).

Are the noises it makes towards the end indicative of long term exposure to stress? I've seen videos with that same noise and no hatred to the owner. I know a lot of people with a lot of pets and many of them have little behaviours together that an outsider could easily think bad of, perhaps they play fight all the time but the cat for some reason hates the glove he bought it to play with. He doesn't look like a regular cat baiter and he isn't dressed like someone who expects slashing attacks to be coming limb-wards. The label is crisp and white and visible, i'm not sherlock holmes but i'd say they bought a new toy, the cat for some reason didn't like it, and they filmed the reaction which they didn't expect to go so badly. Otherwise they filmed and released one particular day in a string of abuse-filled days - and the cat won?

I don't see anything worse than someone using a little fluffy thing on a stick/string to tease a cat into chasing it and attacking it. That's all he did, but with the glove.. a little play fight, and the cat had an unusual reaction to the glove. People seem to think he's a bad guy and deserves savaging though, so could someone explain why? I'm just a bit shocked at the vitriol for him.

@artician - not just for grooming but for clawing at too which is why it looks a bit velcro-ish, so a cat person tells me. I was under the impression he was using it within the limits of its intended use.

Thanks, lucky!

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RIGHT. I'm not talking about crappy little yapping dogs, but here goes!

Dogs love you so much they'll protect you with their life without even hesitating.
Many dogs have great empathy, they know when you're sad and try to cheer you up.
They're hardy and strong so you can take them on adventures (ok, hikes, i'm a big kid)
They understand how to play games and actually do what they're supposed to do ie. fetch.
They are the best animal to play fight with.
They're like a huge hot waterbottle if you let one lie on your bed.
They can be stupid as hell and it's really funny.
They're so clever they can be used to help blind people get around easier.
Their noses are like magic so police and rescuers can use them.
They are great protection against burglars for a house (the right one at least)
They're used for farming, for our food
They can be used to pull us around, as transport
They even work in the military
-snip- allow me to just edit and add that wikipedia's page on dogs around the section on "work" shows just how amazing dogs are better than i could -snip-

Ok i'm boring myself. In a totally normal, non weirdo way; dogs are the best animal on this planet, they're literally made to accompany us.

"a study of conversations in dog-human families showed how family members use the dog as a resource, talking to the dog, or talking through the dog, to mediate their interactions with each other." -- best source ever wikipedia (pokerface)

The case is made. Dogs are awesome. And i didn't once mention cats.

RIGHT. I'm not talking about crappy little yapping dogs, but here goes!

Dogs love you so much they'll protect you with their life without even hesitating.
Many dogs have great empathy, they know when you're sad and try to cheer you up.
They're hardy and strong so you can take them on adventures (ok, hikes, i'm a big kid)
They understand how to play games and actually do what they're supposed to do ie. fetch.
They are the best animal to play fight with.
They're like a huge hot waterbottle if you let one lie on your bed.
They can be stupid as hell and it's really funny.
They're so clever they can be used to help blind people get around easier.
Their noses are like magic so police and rescuers can use them.
They are great protection against burglars for a house (the right one at least)
They're used for farming, for our food
They can be used to pull us around, as transport
They even work in the military
-snip- allow me to just edit and add that wikipedia's page on dogs around the section on "work" shows just how amazing dogs are better than i could -snip-

Ok i'm boring myself. In a totally normal, non weirdo way; dogs are the best animal on this planet, they're literally made to accompany us.

"a study of conversations in dog-human families showed how family members use the dog as a resource, talking to the dog, or talking through the dog, to mediate their interactions with each other." -- best source ever wikipedia (pokerface)

The case is made. Dogs are awesome. And i didn't once mention cats.

Sorry, but this needs some unnecessary censorship.

I've lived with _____ all my life and have been breeding ______ ____ for about five years now. I can absolutely guarantee the temperament of my _____. Playing with ____ is a great way to teach them where the lines are. Biting is OK, as long as it isn't hard. They can learn where that line is. I can play fight with my big boy Leo (7.5kg Ragdoll) and he mouths me but never hurts me. He never puts his _____ out and it's great fun. You can play with ____, but you do need to teach them where the lines are and be strict about stopping them when they do cross the line. Do this when they're little and they'll be great _____ when they grow up.
Indiscriminate play without teaching is where the problem is but play-fighting with a great big bundle of fluff is great fun and well worth the effort. I just find it a bit more interactive than a toy on a stick.>> ^robbersdog49:


That's better.

>> ^critical_d:
I would recommend not using your hand to play with the kitten. This can reinforce behavior (it's ok to bite fingers) and this will be a problem when they get older and are capable of doing real damage. Try using a feather wand or any of those cat toys that have a string on a stick design. This will still allow you to play interactively with the kitty and the cat will focus on the toy as "prey" and not your hand. A win-win situation for the both of you!
Let me know if you have any questions and I will be happy to help.
More info:
http://www.perfectpaws.com/cat_training_and_cat_behavior.html
http://www.squidoo.com/cat-bites
>> ^messenger:
Question for experienced cat owners:
I love playing like this with kittens, especially encouraging them to bite me because I like how it tickles, and I find it cute how ineffectual it is. I've also heard that doing that trains cats to bite people whenever they play, a habit which they retain into adulthood and become those annoying cats that bite your guests. Is that really true, or is it just in the personality of the cat whether they'll bite as an adult?
Thanks!


I've lived with cats all my life and have been breeding pedigree cats for about five years now. I can absolutely guarantee the temperament of my cats. Playing with kittens is a great way to teach them where the lines are. Biting is OK, as long as it isn't hard. They can learn where that line is. I can play fight with my big boy Leo (7.5kg Ragdoll) and he mouths me but never hurts me. He never puts his claws out and it's great fun. You can play with cats, but you do need to teach them where the lines are and be strict about stopping them when they do cross the line. Do this when they're little and they'll be great cats when they grow up.
Indiscriminate play without teaching is where the problem is but play-fighting with a great big bundle of fluff is great fun and well worth the effort. I just find it a bit more interactive than a toy on a stick.

>> ^messenger:

@robbersdog49
That's what I was hoping for. If I play with a cat, a stick is fun sometimes, but I really want to wrestle with them, ideally as rough as we both can without hurting each other at all. How do you "show" your cats them where the line is?


A good firm 'No!' and a little bop on the head (a tap on the top of the head with a finger) and then stop the play. Pretty much what their mother does too . Stopping playing is probably the biggest factor for the kitten. Saying 'No' in a firm voice re-enforces their understanding of the word.

The proviso here is that you need to be consistent, and this ideally needs to be from an early age. The cats need to know that you are the boss. My wife is not a very good disciplinarian with the cats, she's too soft with them and they know it. The ironic thing is that she spends more time shouting at them than I do, because they already know to do what I say. Not because I beat them (the finger tap on the head is as physical as it gets) but because I'm consistent and try not to send mixed messages. Cats are surprisingly trainable. The reason people think they aren't is because people think they aren't. No-one tries, so the cats don't do as they say and they assume it's the cat's fault. My cats all know what 'No' means and it is effective preemptively too. They also know what 'out' means and 'down' and so on. Ask most cat owners how they get their cat out of a room it shouldn't be in and they'll roll their eyes and tell you about running around, trying to prize the cat out from under the sofa or off the top of the curtains. I just open the door and say a loud firm 'out', and out they go

The final proviso is that all cats are different. None of my cats would scratch or bite a person unless extremely provoked (and I mean extreme). But they don't all like to play fight. Kittens will always be game for it, but some grow out of it. You'll really get to know the cats as they grow up and you can figure out what they like and don't like.

You can correct behaviour in older cats, but it's a lot harder than starting with a kitten and getting it right from the start.

>> ^critical_d:

I would recommend not using your hand to play with the kitten. This can reinforce behavior (it's ok to bite fingers) and this will be a problem when they get older and are capable of doing real damage. Try using a feather wand or any of those cat toys that have a string on a stick design. This will still allow you to play interactively with the kitty and the cat will focus on the toy as "prey" and not your hand. A win-win situation for the both of you!
Let me know if you have any questions and I will be happy to help.
More info:
http://www.perfectpaws.com/cat_training_and_cat_behavior.html
http://www.squidoo.com/cat-bites
>> ^messenger:
Question for experienced cat owners:
I love playing like this with kittens, especially encouraging them to bite me because I like how it tickles, and I find it cute how ineffectual it is. I've also heard that doing that trains cats to bite people whenever they play, a habit which they retain into adulthood and become those annoying cats that bite your guests. Is that really true, or is it just in the personality of the cat whether they'll bite as an adult?
Thanks!



I've lived with cats all my life and have been breeding pedigree cats for about five years now. I can absolutely guarantee the temperament of my cats. Playing with kittens is a great way to teach them where the lines are. Biting is OK, as long as it isn't hard. They can learn where that line is. I can play fight with my big boy Leo (7.5kg Ragdoll) and he mouths me but never hurts me. He never puts his claws out and it's great fun. You can play with cats, but you do need to teach them where the lines are and be strict about stopping them when they do cross the line. Do this when they're little and they'll be great cats when they grow up.

Indiscriminate play without teaching is where the problem is but play-fighting with a great big bundle of fluff is great fun and well worth the effort. I just find it a bit more interactive than a toy on a stick.

I thought the pawing looked more like the "more! more!" sort of gesture that dogs I've had in the past made. The growl/grunt was weird, but I took that like it was playing or play-fighting and enjoying it. I'm not exactly a dog-whisperer though.

I dont think he "gets" mortal combat , his review dosent realy cover the main piont of MK

and that is that it was always the most accessible fighting game but not to an exstent that made it 100% dull to play , unlike with other fighting games , players that dont normaly play fighting games could enjoy and have a resnable game with it , evan a casual player verses a good player could have a interesting time whilst still losing on average , where as with street fighter,DOE,soul caliber, gulity gear, for example it is allot hader to get into and play well if you dont play fighting games allot.

allso this versoin from what i have seen looks like the first one in a long time since mk 1 and 2 to actually be good and focus on that core aspect ( accessible fighting with lots of over the top voilence)

everything else he said is true about he vilonce but its just weird how he neglected the core gameplay in the review.

My cat does this. He comes looking for a fight when hes bored, doesnt use his claws (much), but man can he bite.

Its just play fighting.

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Man, I sifted a cover of the Beastie Boys by... Coldplay... the other day, just as a warning. Imagine that fucking band playing 'fight for your right'. I discarded it after a couple of days - I'd made my point.

It's funny how while they're play-fighting they're saying "Fuck you!"