>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^smooman:
>> ^raverman:
Both Knights of the Old Republic games were such awesome awesome games...
But the last Star Wars Galaxies MMO was horrendously craptastic and buggy.
I'm conflicted.... can this be as good as it looks?

the last star wars mmo (SWG) was awesome for its first two years or so. then sony online entertainment (the developers) decided to remake the game entirely in the middle of it and made it the shitty game it is now. SWTOR is being produced and developed by bioware, their reputation speaks for itself

Actually, If I remember right, SOE bought the rights from the original developers, and after that made the changes. That's why it went in such a decline. They decided things like everybody can be a Jedi, and dumbed them down a bit. On paper it wass a good idea, but in reality one of the coolest things that game had to offer was getting to a certain point and becoming "Force Sensative" allowing your character to become a Jedi. Sure they were a tad OP but that's because they only had one life, and once the jedi was dead, it was dead, so you got really attached to your character.
As for the original question, as long as a game company like SOE doesn't take over, and Bioware stays in charge, I trust them.


nah, soe were the only developers. the differences between the game pre new game enhancement (NGE patch) and post nge were night and day. When swg launched and until the CU patch in 2005 it was the fastest growing mmo on the market. the cu saw a bit a decline but the final nail in the coffin was the nge and the shitstorm surrounding it. you had a unique and versatile profession based system where you could mix and match skills from 32 professions to make your "class". This was changed literally overnight with the nge, wiping the old profession system for a traditional class based system. many professions of the old game were not even represented in the new class system until about a year after the nge, namely the creature handler profession, one of the most fun and rewarding.

further adding to the controversy you had the trials of obi wan expansion that was released just two days prior to the nge, which, after the nge hit, a large portion of the player base demanded a refund on the expansion (which sony gave them eventually).

to sum it up, smedley, the president of soe, basically told the players what they want, despite massive protests that we didnt want any of that shit. today you have the ghost town of a game that swg sadly is.

i started playing shortly after launch and played through about 6 months or so after the nge. it was an amazing and unique game starting out but is garbage now. soe's lesson learned: dont fix what isnt broken


ps: permadeath was three deaths not one and that didnt last very long. after that it was xp loss. and jedi were op (pre nge anyway) primarily because of lore continuity and for the more practical reason: it took almost a year to grind one out in both the hologrind and the village grind (took me about 10 months playing everyday to unlock mine via the village grind)

in retrospect, any mmo that installs an alpha class (jedi for swg) its bound to break the game eventually but really, if you think about it, it only really breaks pvp

Tired old school gameplay right down to the glowing pick ups and melee/pistol/shotgun/sms blah blah weapons. I'll save myself $60 by going through a box with all my old games I have in my closet that's been untouched for 5 years. Carmack just never changes.

For those that may have missed out playing this back in the day, Good Old Games and Impulse both sell the game now, so you can probably pick it up for very little and relive the past. (And there's still a very active community going.)

>> ^CaptainPlanet:

^@bikeguy ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO PLAY PORTAL PLAYED IT WTF A LINK TO A 3 year old game demo?!?! seems tarted


Go fuck a donkey.

In reply to this comment by CaptainPlanet:
^@bikeguy ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO PLAY PORTAL PLAYED IT WTF A LINK TO A 3 year old game demo?!?! seems tarted

Can you make any comments that aren't insulting?
Everything you write seems to be an attack on others.

^@bikeguy ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO PLAY PORTAL PLAYED IT WTF A LINK TO A 3 year old game demo?!?! seems tarted

>> ^coolhund:

That was such an awesome game. But thanks to consoles the time of such PC games is over.
Really sad to see games actually regress to a point where very old games like this has the superior gameplay.


I think actually what you will find is that the most inovatve games can still be found on pc.

the thing you see less now on pc are giant publisher cash cows , which more often than not contain the same old game play repackaged. something that i am not sad to see leave pc.

pc innovated in FPS in the late 90s and early 00s, pc games are now innovating in other places such as social gaming ultra casual gaming. I think pcs will always be home to developers like Frictional Games or independents that don't want to dip into funding.

I think consoles are gr8 fun , but the thing that pcs or open architecture platforms will allays have is this Testbed mentality where new concepts can be knocked out , before risk adverse publishers will back them and push them on platforms like ps3 360. granted u have psn and xbl arcade and indi but i dont realy think they are that viable for an indi as primary ditrabutoin platform where as pc and some of the new mobile platforms are.


any way , lol my point is I think pc will be the place where games as gr8 and revolutionary as home world will be spawned ( the majority of the time). and console will pretty much be the place where well tried and tested games will be found. at least in the western markets ,

in Japan they are far more open about having new and often totally mental ideas debue on console. I guess relative to the madness found in manga and animé its a safe bet for them , I also think cultraly they can easily separate core game play mechanics from the visual context.


What is disastrous however is that on pc we are now getting shit console ports constantly so i guess that aspect of pc gaming is pretty shitty.

That was such an awesome game. But thanks to consoles the time of such PC games is over.
Really sad to see games actually regress to a point where very old games like this has the superior gameplay.

Blizzard are basically world laziest people.

They have a 15 year old game they introduced like 2005 level graphics to.. with same mechanics, units, maps, everything. They sit on this game development forever..

And meanwhile it is identical to WC3 and has every single exploit.
They dump all this stuff in the registry, so it serves them right.

They dump a ton of stuff like in game APM, etc. all these things are in the registry.. So of course you can hack out the memory location for fog of war on/off. Why can't the design the game better? If battle net is sending your machine every unit position, why can't the battle.net servers only send you fog of war info?

big thanks for the quality, there is another of these vids here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7jxAyd4-M0&feature=channel with cooller doing the talking about his win in the same set.

I'm really glad people appreciate this video.
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>> ^syncron:

Why hold a tournament of such an old game which nobody really cares about?


*quality
hell didn't play quake 3 for long, loved UT so much. (for the maps and CTF)

apparently this was recorded in july 2010. that's 10 years of quake. Nice to get inside the head of a competitive player.

>> ^syncron:

Why hold a tournament of such an old game which nobody really cares about?


*quality
hell didn't play quake 3 for long, loved UT so much. (for the maps and CTF)

apparently this was recorded in july 2010. that's 10 years of quake. Nice to get inside the head of a competitive player.

>> ^syncron:

Why hold a tournament of such an old game which nobody really cares about?

I would -1 if I could...

"Nobody really cares about... These old games stood the test of time, dedicated communities stuck with it because despite its simple graphics there was a deeper complexity that made it competitive, fun to play and exciting to watch. The fact these games get tournaments, the fact players like Raffa exist is testament to how many DO care it.

Go back to playing MW2 or some shit that will be forgotten when the next sequel comes out...

>> ^syncron:

Why hold a tournament of such an old game which nobody really cares about?



There is a huge difference between games that are "fun" and games that are for sport (although game used for sports can allso be fun , and more comon pop games can allso be used for sports)

classic Sport games: are quake 2&3 , starcraft , Rfactor , poker , css ,cs1.6

For a game to be a good sport game they are normaly compleaty focused on the raw mechanics of the game rather than the suger effects and gratificatoin mechanics , games with allot of suger like MW2 , or more arcady stile games often have far less of a skill difrentatoin to them they often have allot of mechanichs that are designed to draw skilled and less skille dplayers together to make them mor eenjoyable to play. as apoosed to a game suted to sports which make no real effort in the games design to flatten and auto balence the play exsperance.

allso allot of it is down to a games history and size of its Core solid user base , u might have games come out that for 8 months that are huge , but the games that are more suted to comps are games that last for 5 + years and have a ver large solid fan base.

when you have a versoin of a game where the core mechanics have stayed the same for 4+ years it can be almost garentied that anny bugs and (unfair imposable to counter) exsploits can be removed and fixed.

Why hold a tournament of such an old game which nobody really cares about?

Only beef I have with Steam is that you can't 'resell' old games. I bought Bioshock, played it, realized it stunk, and wanted to sell it but I couldn't because all I had was the Steam download. Bleh. Now I will forever have that stupid reminder of my purchase on my 'games I can download' list (along with CounterStrike, DoD, and all the other games that are dead to me on Steam). Small price to pay though. All in all Steam does what it is supposed to do. No more and no less. It is no more onerous than Windows Live on the 360 or other GUI menu systems you have to slog through.