>> ^marinara:

love breaks the addiction. good luck finding it though


love and forgiveness my friend.
very powerful in their ability to heal but you are correct.
hard to find.
for two main reasons in my opinion.
1.the addicts own self-loathing and feelings of unworthiness.
2.peoples judgmental aversion to someone so obviously broken.in this societies perception of choice/consequence along with the seriously flawed 'pull yourself up by your boot-straps" mentality.the addict is blamed,judged and left to suffer for their choices,all the while ignoring the huge elephant in the room:who among us aspires to be a junkie?

it is that first step of recognizing that person as a human being worthy of love,compassion and understanding that can be so very powerful to begin the long and arduous path to wellness.

right on @marinara

I think you might be falsely thinking the the word tragic autimaticaly means Tragic for everyone Ie a human tragedy and that is not the case.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tragic

If someone dies against there will regardless of how stupid and risky ( playing russen rulet for example) it would still be fair to use the word "tragic" to describe the person dying.

From your position if you believe its simply a culling of the stupid and Darwinism , obviously its not tragic from your perspective but its tragic from the person that died perspective ( assuming they didn't want to die)







>> ^packo:

>> ^luxury_pie:
Well given he would be stupid enough to not pack a parachute, I guess concerning this particular situation I agree with packo.
But he did pack on, and it failed him. I wonder if packo was aware of that.

yes i was aware he jumped with a pack, and that he opened it too late or that it malfunctioned... that was never specified
and at no point did I say my way of feeling about the situation EVERYONE must feel
in regards to things that adrenaline junkies do, this included... the fact that there was a choice made to do it in the first place takes TRAGEDY out of the situation for me... why? because I'm assuming he knew the risks and was taking them on... let alone how that affects any family/friends this person may have impacted with this resulting jump... and keep in mind, his decision to do a potentially life threatening thing does impact those groups of people, even if it is his own choice...
myself as a bystander who has no direct connection to this person, feel more sorry for his family and friends than I do for him... they were put in a situation (whether he asked their permission/blessing/etc) where really they had no control of the situation, and had to watch a person they care about get severely injured... that's why i consider it more likely than not, that the person jumping is probably of a self-centered mindset
there's a reason they call it adrenaline JUNKIE... and not adrenaline ENTHUSIAST
that's why my sympathy is low for this person, he made his choice, he gets to live with the consequence (and so do the people this choice impacted)... i wouldn't send money to a collection in his benefit or even a get well card... i shake my head and move along
it all comes down to choice, and imho it was a foolish (no matter the precautions taken) and self-centered choice...
and him getting back up on the horse to do something like this again wouldn't be a display of human courage and perseverance, but something more akin to a drug addict scoring their next hit
10,000s of people starve to death every day, 150,000 or so die everyday; alot from TREATABLE disease/infection, lots of children are abused, or forced to grow up too soon, or aren't given a chance at a productive future... sorry if I don't lump this guy who chose to wingsuit jump off a bridge, in with those truly tragic situation

>> ^luxury_pie:

Well given he would be stupid enough to not pack a parachute, I guess concerning this particular situation I agree with packo.
But he did pack on, and it failed him. I wonder if packo was aware of that.


yes i was aware he jumped with a pack, and that he opened it too late or that it malfunctioned... that was never specified

and at no point did I say my way of feeling about the situation EVERYONE must feel

in regards to things that adrenaline junkies do, this included... the fact that there was a choice made to do it in the first place takes TRAGEDY out of the situation for me... why? because I'm assuming he knew the risks and was taking them on... let alone how that affects any family/friends this person may have impacted with this resulting jump... and keep in mind, his decision to do a potentially life threatening thing does impact those groups of people, even if it is his own choice...

myself as a bystander who has no direct connection to this person, feel more sorry for his family and friends than I do for him... they were put in a situation (whether he asked their permission/blessing/etc) where really they had no control of the situation, and had to watch a person they care about get severely injured... that's why i consider it more likely than not, that the person jumping is probably of a self-centered mindset

there's a reason they call it adrenaline JUNKIE... and not adrenaline ENTHUSIAST

that's why my sympathy is low for this person, he made his choice, he gets to live with the consequence (and so do the people this choice impacted)... i wouldn't send money to a collection in his benefit or even a get well card... i shake my head and move along

it all comes down to choice, and imho it was a foolish (no matter the precautions taken) and self-centered choice...

and him getting back up on the horse to do something like this again wouldn't be a display of human courage and perseverance, but something more akin to a drug addict scoring their next hit

10,000s of people starve to death every day, 150,000 or so die everyday; alot from TREATABLE disease/infection, lots of children are abused, or forced to grow up too soon, or aren't given a chance at a productive future... sorry if I don't lump this guy who chose to wingsuit jump off a bridge, in with those truly tragic situation

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Me too. Well, actually 1 of 2 podcasts.

>> ^kymbos:

I only really have enough time in a week for Marc Maron. Not that I've really looked around at other podcasts, to be fair, but Marc pumps out 2-3 hours of swesome comedy-junkie quality per week, and it's all I have time for.
I realised recently that I probably listen to him speaking more than almost anyone else in my life, with the possible exception of my wife. And that's only a possible exception. I don't listen to her speak uninterrupted for an hour and a half at any given time.
So what's this whole 'This American Life' thing about? Would it entertain a non-American?

I only really have enough time in a week for Marc Maron. Not that I've really looked around at other podcasts, to be fair, but Marc pumps out 2-3 hours of awesome comedy-junkie quality per week, and it's all I have time for.

I realised recently that I probably listen to him speaking more than almost anyone else in my life, with the possible exception of my wife. And that's only a possible exception. I don't listen to her speak uninterrupted for an hour and a half at any given time.

So what's this whole 'This American Life' thing about? Would it entertain a non-American?

You are truly a moron. I've tried not to say so, but you are. Your conspiracy theory videos and this retarded attack on immunisation just prove it.

Widespread vaccination has the potential to reduce cervical cancer deaths around the world by as much as two-thirds, if all women were to take the vaccine and if protection turns out to be long-term. In addition, the vaccines can reduce the need for medical care, biopsies, and invasive procedures associated with the follow-up from abnormal Pap tests, thus helping to reduce health care costs and anxieties related to abnormal Pap tests and follow-up procedures.
—American National Cancer Institute, [22]
(source)

If you're all fine with NOT trying to prevent two thirds of cervical cancer deaths based on a misguided fear of immunisations, then have at it sir, and then don't bitch when any woman you knows dies of it.

Go and look up what immunisation has done for the world, go on...

Children DIED because of the hysteria created around the MMR vaccine by the slime ball Andrew Wakefield. Children who would NOT have died did so because idiots like you made parents incorrectly fear a vaccine, so their children were not immunised, infection rates sky-rocketed, and children DIED.

I mock the fucking shit out of you because you are wrong, and your decisions put the lives of other people at risk too, not just your own. There's no two ways about it, vaccinations are a HUGE benefit to society, a HUGE life saver, a HUGE preventer of pain and suffering.

Do you use homoeopathic remedies to ward off evil do you?


>> ^marbles:

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.

There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.
Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.
And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:
Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).
Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source

And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:
Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source
But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.
BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

>> ^spoco2:

>> ^marinara:
mercury causes mental retardation, vaccines contain mercury, therefore vaccines=retardation.

A 6-ounce can of tuna fish contains an average of 17 micrograms of mercury, vaccines that contain mercury contain roughly 25 micrograms.
You think you're going to become mentally retarded by eating two cans of tuna?
No?
Then what you're saying is retarded.
That sort of knee-jerk, mindless shit is what causes people to stop getting their kids immunised and starts getting kids killed.


There's a big difference between ingesting mercury and injecting it straight into the vein.

Do junkies eat heroin? Why the fuck do you think they go to the trouble of injecting smack, why don't they just eat it?
Hardly any mercury is absorbed through ingesting, like around .01%. So that would be 1/1000 of 17 micrograms actually absorbed or .0017 micrograms / 6oz can of tuna.

And what do we actually know about mercury? Well, we know it's HIGHLY toxic. Let's go to the wikipedia page for Mercury poisoning:

Mercury is such a highly reactive toxic agent that it is difficult to identify its specific mechanism of damage, and much remains unknown about the mechanism. It damages the central nervous system, endocrine system, kidneys, and other organs, and adversely affects the mouth, gums, and teeth. Exposure over long periods of time or heavy exposure to mercury vapor can result in brain damage and ultimately death. Mercury and its compounds are particularly toxic to fetuses and infants. Women who have been exposed to mercury in pregnancy have sometimes given birth to children with serious birth defects (see Minamata disease).

Mercury exposure in young children can have severe neurological consequences, preventing nerve sheaths from forming properly. Mercury inhibits the formation of myelin.
/source


And since we're at it, let's have a peak at Thiomersal's wikipedia page:

Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin, with a danger of cumulative effects. ...

Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Cases have been reported of severe poisoning by accidental exposure or attempted suicide, with some fatalities. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.
/source

But you can keep talking out of your ass like you actually have a fucking clue. And keep shooting up your children with neurotoxins too, while mocking those that oppose forced inoculations.

BTW statist idiot, the video is referring to the HPV vaccine. Why do fucking 10 year olds need to be vaccinated for STDs?

Congratulations to both of your video junkies.

And congratulations to Dag for beginning his world tour of bars and strip joints serenading the lonely and depressed.



(seriously, those songs were awesome)

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Awww shucks...*isdupe>> ^shuac:

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I just can't see any situation where paid blogging is a "good thing" for bloggers. My understanding is that the pay is not great, but the cost to the blogger is immense. It's large moneyed corporations preying on the little, desperate guy as usual - sucking the life-force of credibility from bloggers for a few bucks. Shameful.

>> ^kymbos:

Really interesting discussion. I have never countenanced the idea of paid blogging. Most of the blogs I read are by frustrated political and economics junkies, and don't really lend themselves readily to product placement.
"This Government's economic policies are counterproductive, not like my new Technocrati app which is easy to use and aesthetically pleasing!"

Really interesting discussion. I have never countenanced the idea of paid blogging. Most of the blogs I read are by frustrated political and economics junkies, and don't really lend themselves readily to product placement.

"This Government's economic policies are counterproductive, not like my new Technocrati app which is easy to use and aesthetically pleasing!"

So agree with you

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To those who feel really upset about this, I'm wondering when a junkie on the street walks up to you begging for money you know they'll use on drugs, what is your response? To someone who has NOTHING else, no money, no friends, no family to help them through? Amy Winehouse's death, a tragedy? Absolutely. Preventable? Easily. But I think the deaths of unknowns in the street due to substance abuse is far more tragic than another celebrity who could've got help far more easily, if they really wanted it.

If you really want to help, why not donate to a charity? http://www.actiononaddiction.org.uk/ for instance?

To those who feel really upset about this, I'm wondering when a junkie on the street walks up to you begging for money you know they'll use on drugs, what is your response? To someone who has NOTHING else, no money, no friends, no family to help them through? Amy Winehouse's death, a tragedy? Absolutely. Preventable? Easily. But I think the deaths of unknowns in the street due to substance abuse is far more tragic than another celebrity who could've got help far more easily, if they really wanted it.

If you really want to help, why not donate to a charity? http://www.actiononaddiction.org.uk/ for instance?

I agree with the sentiments of many posters here, another 'tortured' artist junkie bites the dust and we're supposed to feel bad? Because she was famous enough for people to actually notice her death?