I think he's wrong about drawing a line of causation.

-=Hypothetical analogy incoming=-

Assume we've got a set of teenage girls,
Girl A at school dislikes Girl B
Girl A starts spreading rumors about Girl B
Girl C is emotionally and mentally unstable
Girl A randomly comes into contact with Girl C and passes along said rumors
Girl C confronts Girl B about the rumors and a fight breaks out because, again, Girl C is unstable

There was no way for Girl A to know that Girl C would follow through in the way she did. Regardless, Girl A started a series of events that eventually led to Girl B getting beat up.

Ok, try the same thing with Fox pundits who are basically promoting slanted and ethically unsound journalism (aka LIES).

Fox = Girl A
Whoever is in their cross-hairs (pun intended) = Girl B
Random Crazies = Girl C

Now before anyone on the right gets on my case about this analogy, consider this: The CEO of Fox announced he wanted his pundits to quote "Tone down the rhetoric and hope the other side does too." How can an objective news organization have "a side?" It can't.

What we really REALLY need is good, honest, journalism. The problem is people dont know how to recognize what credible journalism is, and fear usually trumps intellect so the emotional hoopla that Fox jams down people's throats is gobbled up like the tripe it is.

I know we joke that every roast is lame, and we all have a good laugh pretending the roastee is someone not deserving of notice, and so on. We then take pot shots at the MC, make a good joke about him or her and how they fucked the proceedings up somehow, but... Sigh. Today I'm just feeling like this really, truly, honestly is NOT worth our time. No jokes. Completely serious now.

Would any of us care if @thinker247 or @MrFisk got banned tomorrow? Or left? Or died? Okay, if they died I'd probably at least feign a touch of sympathy, but it would be disingenuous if it was anything more than a sigh. I wouldn't trade @rottenseed's shit covered dick from @berticus' ass to save their lives. What two miserable subhuman beings. I mean they're really the crust of peggedbea's vagina. Speaking of @peggedbea's vagina, it's seen so many dicks the cum has clotted over and it's already started to heal shut.

Today I'd like to propose we kill this SiftTalk post right here and now. I'd ask permission from @dotdude first, seeing how he's kind of the unsaid facilitator of these shit shenanigans, but he's too busy posting mild, inoffensive oneliners under the alter-ego 'THE JESTER'. Newsflash, dotdude, jesters are typically amusing and at times hilarious. You're none of these.

The real reason I hate these two is because, first, thinker247's name is so telling of just how lame a person he must be in real life. It's like me calling myself movieDirector#1 or superDickSized. Or rottenseed calling himself notGay. And this third grader thinks he's edgy because he wrote "motherfucking" and "bitches" in the title. Hey, dickhead, this roast isn't about you.

Second, there's the roastee, MrFisk. A person so miserable and unlikable that only choggie could come to his defense during his Siftquisition. That's like having Jared Lee Loughner represent you in a murder trial. What a joke that whole Siftquistion was, huh? And I love how @dag and @kronosposeidon became the busybody Perry fucking Masons of the Sift as if calling those SiftTalk posts a "Siftquisition" made them anything more than a discussion thread on a website that plays videos. My favorite is when dag claimed he had "something else to enter into the docket" and "Department of HomeSift Security." The fuck? There's about as much credibility in a Siftquisition as there would be if @kulpims claimed he wasn't gobbling @dystopianfuturetoday's dick. Or was that @laura's dick? Either way, they're both effeminate dudes.

So who's with me? Who thinks we ought to kill this embarrassing navel-gazing jerkfest and pretend it never happened. While we're at it, let's finish what we started and *ban these two for trying so hard to be cool and outrageous. Sorry, thinker247 and MrFisk, did mommy not give you two enough of her tit to suck on when you were a baby? You still need approval and acceptance? I hear 4chan is looking for a few more whores for their ranks.

SHE CAN GOBBLE MY oh I feel dirty now.

Gobble. Gobble.

>> ^dag:

Sorry, those figures are incorrect. Very conservative estimates put defense spending at over 20% of the budget. More realistic estimates put it much higher.
>> ^quantumushroom:
National defense is a legitimate Constitutional duty. Overall, U.S. defense spending is a surprisingly small portion of the budget, not even 10%. Meanwhile, the federal mafia now gobbles up almost HALF of the total American economy (GDP) compared to about 22% sixty years ago.
Where's the bulk of the money going? Entitlements, social programs and bureaucracy.
Why is any liberal complaining about the TSA whilst pushing for TSA-quality health care?

>> ^dag:
I always hear conservatives clamoring for small government- until the topic of the defense budget comes around. You want small government? Start at the Pentagon.



Since when has accuracy or reality for that matter had anything to do with the majority of his posts. Why bother when you can just make up fun numbers to prove your point.

You are one of the most ill-informed disingenuous windbags ever.

I'm about to show you these things called "Facts". You will deny them.

It's okay, I understand how delusional and prone to compartmentalization you are.
~~~

#1
The only time the Constitution mentions national defense is in the preamble.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union".. [and] .."provide for the common defense".. .."do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Hence the Second Amendment, to ensure the continuation and growth of the state militias as a means of defense.

Today those militias are known as the National Guard.

#2
All Transportation Security Administration [TSA] spending falls under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security. The Department of Defense budget is a completely different budget.

Moreover, both budgets are Discretionary [Non-Mandatory] Expenditures.

Department of Homeland Security's Budget for FY 2010 = an estimated 42.7 Billion.

Department of Defense's Budget for FY 2010 = an estimated 663.7 Billion.

.0427 + .6637 ÷ 3.55 Trillion = 22.96% of the FY 2010 Budget

Small portion my ass.

#3
Every year, Social Security and Medicare taxes are stolen out of our wages with a guarantee that we'll be repaid.

62% of the entire Fiscal Year 2010 Budget, 3.55 trillion dollars, goes to Entitlements because they are what are known as Mandatory [Non-Discretionary] Expenditures.

Are you suggesting the government should renege on its 2 Trillion dollar obligation to tax-payers?! *GASP!*

#4
Being harassed at the airport isn't a necessity nor a fundamental right.

Healthcare [Well-being] is.

Attempting to rationalize otherwise is dumb and sadistic because no person ever asked to be born.

Not to mention the pursuit of Life Liberty and Happiness is pretty difficult if you're dying from the flu.
~~~

I know I've completely wasted my time and breath in yet another vain attempt to point out your fallacies.

All so that, one day, you might be honest and finally acknowledge verifiable facts or simply go the fuck away.

Willfully ignorant blowhards like you are the bane of my existence and a scrounge upon civil rational society.

Hence why I'll continue to point out the ENORMOUS contradictions in your consistently flawed rhetoric until those ideologies [or genes if that's the source] wither from all time and space.

-_-

>> ^quantumushroom:

National defense is a legitimate Constitutional duty. Overall, U.S. defense spending is a surprisingly small portion of the budget, not even 10%. Meanwhile, the federal mafia now gobbles up almost HALF of the total American economy (GDP) compared to about 22% sixty years ago.
Where's the bulk of the money going? Entitlements, social programs and bureaucracy.
Why is any liberal complaining about the TSA whilst pushing for TSA-quality health care?

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

Sorry, those figures are incorrect. Very conservative estimates put defense spending at over 20% of the budget. More realistic estimates put it much higher.

>> ^quantumushroom:

National defense is a legitimate Constitutional duty. Overall, U.S. defense spending is a surprisingly small portion of the budget, not even 10%. Meanwhile, the federal mafia now gobbles up almost HALF of the total American economy (GDP) compared to about 22% sixty years ago.
Where's the bulk of the money going? Entitlements, social programs and bureaucracy.
Why is any liberal complaining about the TSA whilst pushing for TSA-quality health care?

>> ^dag:
I always hear conservatives clamoring for small government- until the topic of the defense budget comes around. You want small government? Start at the Pentagon.

National defense is a legitimate Constitutional duty. Overall, U.S. defense spending is a surprisingly small portion of the budget, not even 10%. Meanwhile, the federal mafia now gobbles up almost HALF of the total American economy (GDP) compared to about 22% sixty years ago.

Where's the bulk of the money going? Entitlements, social programs and bureaucracy.

Why is any liberal complaining about the TSA whilst pushing for TSA-quality health care?



>> ^dag:

I always hear conservatives clamoring for small government- until the topic of the defense budget comes around. You want small government? Start at the Pentagon.

upvote for "gobble my bean"

I always found myself coming across pages I wanted to read, but didn't have time or wasn't in the mood. So I would drag them to the desktop, this kept them out of my bookmarks, but also somewhere I could find them again. I realized this couldn't be the best way to do this, and I figured someone must of developed a solution. I went searching in the Addons and found Read It Later, it's perfect for this, exactly what I wanted, and it integrates beautifully. You can even make an account and save them to the cloud and read on a different computer, Android Dolphin Browser even has an Addon for it so you can read them on your phone too. This is just overkill if you ask me, I find FireFox gobbles up memory the longer it's open and the more tabs you have.

The combination of fractional reserve banking, the Federal Reserve Act, Legal Tender law, and supply-side economics are all you need to know about to know why all this has occurred. The standard Left/Right arguments about the economy are pointless. Nothing will change permanently until we change the system.

Problem is, you don't find too many Americans willing to give up our economic and cultural hegemony in favor of a sustainable monetary system. So, we'll continue to gobble every resource and create as much debt as we can until it backfires.

All these bills, arguments, etc, are akin to fighting over whether to steer the boat towards the left or the right side of the river...only neither side seems to notice or care about the waterfall...they only care about being the biggest and prettiest boat in the race.

It's not Science and Technology that are failing us. It's people and human nature that are screwing us over. We, the middle and lower economic classes, have been the targets of 40 years of class warfare...and we're only now beginning to see significant numbers of people wake up to this fact. Science and technology have, in fact, produced huge gains in productivity, virtually all of which has been gobbled up by the ultra-wealthy.

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I don't think it's just a financial consideration. Flash is a pig on OS X. I've yet to run a verssion that doesn't (eventually) chew up all the memory it can gobble.>> ^RedSky:
If it does end up supporting Flash, it will be because of mounting pressure. Apple has made it clear they have no interest in allowing people to eschew their apps business model on the iPhone/Touch through custom made content they have neither control nor any financial claim over. No reason they would change their mind here unless they were compelled by dwindling sales or an outcry.

There is nothing funny about it really. A decent portion of the US population gobbles this tripe up and fills the coffers or people like Beck and Palin until they're overflowing. No, it's not funny; it's terrifying.

1,2,1,2,3,4
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Lois, this is not my Batman glass,