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Kangaroo eating a penguin on the beach

rich_magnet says...

Amongst the diversity of extinct australian megafauna is the Propleopus oscillans, a carnivorous kangaroo. Perhaps this one is just reverting to type. Evolution in progress. Take that, creationists!

HBOs 'Questioning Darwin' - Creationists Talk Creationism

VoodooV says...

while you did need to reign it in there. It wouldn't have happened had not a certain someone completely changed the topic of the sift.

used to be about creationists remember before it got derailed...as usual

BoneRemake said:

@chingalera Pretty much what newt said about tables turned and you crying foul. I have witnessed it many times with you over the years. I do not know you but I " Know " you and I do not like you and last night I had the displeasure of again reading a lazy suzan style emotion. I ignore you out right because I have the personal opinion that any genuine correspondence is not worth the time or effort, To be honest when I see that little email pop up I delete it, when I log in I have you on ignore so I just delete that too, I really do not care what you have to say. It is harsh but simplistic really.

Hope that answers your question, sorry Sift for shitting in the comment thread. One of those situations where - yea I got to express myself, but all in all it was not constructive.

Sagemind (Member Profile)

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What Systema looks like once you've reached a certain level

ChaosEngine says...

I can't really speak for Systema, and there are certainly some people in aikido who focus on mystic nonsense.

But the base underlying principles are sound. I've been taken apart by a 73 year old man literally half my size. I've also trained with other people in various jujutsus, and both of us have found something to learn from the other.

I don't really think it's self-deception. Maybe for some people, it is, but I'm under no illusion about how well I'd do against one of the UFC guys.

Besides, people seem to think that Aikido practitioners are somehow restricted to the demonstrated techniques. IMO, those are merely teaching aids, the "finger pointing at the stars", if you like

Ultimately, debating martial arts on the internet is even more pointless than debating with creationists. You really need to experience each art to understand it. If it isn't for you, that's fine; find something else that is.

9547bis said:

It is true that MMA is not the be-all end-all of martial arts,and in fact "two persons of equivalent weight competing willingly on neutral ground" is quite far removed from "actual trouble" (key words: "two", "willingly").

That being said, two things:
1) There have been 'no-hold-barred' fights / underground duels recorded since at least the 1920s, some of them very violent and bone-splitting (famously: Kimura Vs Gracie), and 'soft' aikido-style systems never won anything.

2) More importantly, systema does claim a number of things, including being a martial art in the military sense, and being the product of an elite military force, to which it was reserved (i.e. it was secret). It also claims to have semi-mystical roots dating from the middle ages, and bonker stuff like 'paralyzing soft punch' and 'healing punch' (this is claimed by its actual founder - you can look it up). Of course none of those claims have been substantiated.

So systema is either:
- An elite martial art with Fist-Of-The-North-Star like powers, yet no one heard of it before or beside (not pre-USSR historians, not recognized Russian martial artists, and not actual Russian elite military officers), and was/is super-secret, yet can be somehow taught to anyone.

Or:
- Stuff made up by two guys out of the army.

You decide.

If your goal is "studying" and "bettering yourself", shouldn't that involve something that's honest with its claims?

I agree with Velocity5, it is, indeed, self-deception.

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HBOs 'Questioning Darwin' - Creationists Talk Creationism

HBO's Questioning Darwin: Creationists Go Full Retard

HBOs 'Questioning Darwin' - Creationists Talk Creationism

HBOs 'Questioning Darwin' - Creationists Talk Creationism

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

In some ways it kind of humanises creationists - makes you understand their perspective at least.

But at the same time - it's a massive troll by HBO aimed at secularists - designed to enrage and make them spit their organically grown, aeropress brewed frappadingdong at the TV screen.

Questions for Statists

Questions for Statists

VoodooV says...

wow...so many claims...but so little to back it up.

The biggest one is in the beginning where the woman builds up what a human being is, then dismisses gov't as if it's some sort of external alien enemy that's been forced on us.

But wait! What is gov't? Wasn't it built by....gasp! Human beings? The very thing this woman is building up as so awesome and able do stuff on it's own? A long long long time ago, a bunch of humans got together and saw the world around them and decided they needed some sort of regulating system and viola!

So what do you think would happen if gov't magically went away? Maybe the exact same thing? But this video makes the claim that gov't is bad. so maybe we should tell people they can't make a gov't. That would require some sort of..edict....or....law? But wait...who would enforce this law of no government? some sort of...government?

I've always loved those arguments based on the idea that our current system isn't perfect, therefore that is adequate justification for complete eradication of the current system and put something we know wouldn't work in it's place. You can't solve complex problems with simple solutions. That's hopefully the biggest thing society learns right now. Sarah Palin is the perfect example of that. So hopefully it's her example that will finally put the nail in the coffin in this idea that "folksy" simple solutions just don't work in a modern society.

But hey. If the non-statists are serious. They are obviously free to leave all these governments and leave it all behind and forge out on their own on some uninhabited island. Obviously they won't do that though.

They're too comfortable in our existing system despite it's flaws. How else are they going to blog their message using youtube unless they are in some sort of government controlled nation that has such technology cheaply available to its citizens? They're like the creationists that deny science, yet gladly use systems created by advanced science to spread their message and would never give up the benefits of said science.

I agree. Someday, people are going to figure out how to get along with each other without outside regulation. Someday gov't just simply won't have anything left to do. But that day is the day when we stop being human beings and become something else. Because right now, human beings are generally dicks to other human beings if they know they can get away with it. And we've decided we don't like it when human beings do dickish things to other human beings so we created a governing system to help deal with that. Sure it isn't perfect, but it's better than the alternative.

Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham: is creationism a viable model?

eric3579 says...
eric3579 said:

22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution

I asked 22 self-identifying creationists at the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate to write a message/question/note to the other side. Here’s what they wrote.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio

Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham: is creationism a viable model?

Bernie Sanders tears into Walmart for corporate welfare

shatterdrose says...

*sigh* No, what would happen is exactly what Wal-Mart does . . . They'd threaten to move. They'll strong arm governments, which is what they ALREADY do, warning they'll destroy them if they don't play ball.

For instance, Wally World has 5 stores in 5 small towns. Town A complains they're having to compensate the workers too much, so Wally World just leaves. Wally World has already undercut and destroyed the local economy with their "low prices" and "capitalism" (they are not far from that) so by leaving, they take away the rest of the town.

Now, the other 4 towns get word that Wal-Mart is going to build a Super Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart will pick one town to build in, and close their stores in the other 3. So now they face death, or playing by Wal-Marts rules.

And on top of that, all these workers have no where else to get jobs because Wal-Mart killed off their competition through unfair pricing schemes (by lowering prices below cost and taking a loss knowing their other stores will compensate). So now these workers have no where else to make money . . . except stealing, dealing drugs or turning to prostitution. But you're absolutely right, they should have sought these other choices.

Or maybe they should have gone to school at one of those privatized places . . . or gotten a eduction by the standards that most Republicans think is scientifically creationist "has a whole way of shutting that down" and let's eliminate all Atheists from our history books schools.

So I agree, you're absolutely right there. 100%…..

bobknight33 said:

The point of view that Sanders is taking is that corporations are paying so little that the workers have no choice but to take welfare.

I say that if there was no welfare ( well not as much as there is today) then corporations like Walmart would have to pay more. Otherwise people would not even apply.

For every dollar the government hands out in welfare, the corporations have to give a dollar more to make working for them worthwhile.

Minimum wage is not to be a living wage but an entry level wage where one can better oneself and then one would have standing to ask for a higher wage.

As far as big ass tax breaks for the big corporations I say F to that.

I agree that corps have corrupted government to favor them. Capitalism without morality is we are today.


Capitalism is the best system. We all practice capitalism every day with our purchasing dollars. We look for the best value for the good and services we desire.

Statism Is Dead ~ The Matrix As A Metaphor

kevingrr says...

I studied English and Philosophy in school and have continued reading a lot of utopian/dystopian literature since. My familiarity with economics and economic history pales in contrast, but the close relationship with subjects I am interested in has caused me to spend some time and consideration learning what I can.

That said, when I see a video like this I lump it into the same pseudo intellectual/science/news that things like Bill O'Reilly, TYT, Kirk Cameron, Creationists and bigots bring to mind.

Why did I watch this? Well I'm open to listening to legitimate and informative critiques of socioeconomic systems. If they are particularly good it can lead to all sorts of follow up questions and inquiries. I get bored while i'm "slaving" away at work so I put things on in the background...

Then there videos like this. There are very few facts throughout the entire video. The analogies used are misleading. The terrible acts and downfalls of groups, individuals, or particular ideologies are often blown out of proportion entirely. There is no nuanced investigation, no insights, nothing but a self satisfied narrator with droll delivery.

Thanks for rummaging through my videos for dead links. I'll pass on using my downvote on this video.



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